Bird is not even a top 20 talent. Dirk is a transformational talent. He changed the PF position. Dirk is probably the best white boy player ever.
Bird is not even a top 20 talent. Dirk is a transformational talent. He changed the PF position. Dirk is probably the best white boy player ever.
Transform to what and why? Bird's skill set: shooting, passing and rebounding has never been more important than today.
IMO this is just a fancy discussion as to whether Larry could play Tight End in the NFL, which all these current players use as some sort of odd measuring stick. Run and jump like never before but take poor shots, angles on defense and "dont cur" low effort for most the minutes/games/season. Not to mention lack of back to back games played - lets see the effect on athleticism
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the other guys on the panel look like they were going to puke
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Bird was like taking Magic, subtracting the AIDS, and adding an all-time great jumpshot. would be dominant in any era.
Why is racism allowed for black folks? Do you imagine a former white baseball scrub saying Jackie Robinson wasn't a transformational player?
Bird is easily a top 5 player of all-time. Dude could shoot, pass, rebound, dribble. The complete package. He was easily better than Magic, tbh.
Second greatest SF after LeBron and could easily play PF in today's "pace and space" era. If Kyle Anderson can play in today's NBA and then surely a more skilled, aggressive and higher BBIQ player like Bird could.
Also, people forget that terrible back injury severely hampered the second half of his career. Kind of how Duncan mensicus tear "hampered" his second half.
looking at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr7UV1tiZFc
no one is really putting up much of an effort to contest his shots besides some half assed arm raising... i dont think he could get his shot off in the modern nba tbh
Insecure black people are insecure
It is the double standard - racist to admit Bird would out smart (schemes) James & Durant but perfectly fine arguing they would out athlete him.
I didn't watch that long clip but did they touch on IQ or even bball intelligence? Doubt it. Remember Lebron is "more than an athlete" as the odd ESPN propaganda program attempts to force us to believe
Don't drag me into your white racism son. I'm against all kinds of racisms, tbh.![]()
James Worthy: "I would rather guard Jordan than Bird."
Pat Riley: "I'd want Jordan to take the shot with the game on the line. I'd want Bird to take it if my LIFE was on the line."
Isiah Thomas: "if you locked me, Michael, Magic and Larry in a room----I think Larry is the one who makes it out".
When Bird retired, Jordan sent in a video congratulating Larry on a great career. Jordan said "I'm not sorry to see you go. I'm tired of seeing your face. You stopped me from achieving many of my goals (or something to that effect)
Settle down kiddo.
Bird had good size and was a good scorer and highly compe ive. That alone, along with playing on a stacked, NBA darling, big market team that got a ton of favoritism/calls, was enough for him to be overrated. But agree, in the big picture of all that is NBA player history, guys like Bird, Parish, McHale, were simply "very good." They weren't great as compared with otherworldly talents/athletes that came later, such as Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Dirk, etc.
Although I rank Duncan above Shaq, James, Kobe
Why would Tim be included in that list but Bird not? Tim IS THE Larry of modern greats. Tim and his fundamentals, work ethic & leadership are the closest thing since Larry
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Jim Jackson was a truly transformational player. 's uniform transformed every season.
People saying Dirk > BirdDirk is my favorite athlete ever by far, and top 15 all time in my book, but Bird is just on another level. He was the complete package. GOAT talent tbh
best shooter I have seen pre Curry & Klay ...
but Bird was a better all around player.
Overrated by Amb and few others on here but Bird is a great player.
GOAT SF pre -Lebron ...
appreciate your honesty but Bird is great top 10-15 player ever and 2nd greatest SF but is not a GOAT, stop it.
GOAT SF BEFORE Lebron?
Absolutely.
At scoring/shooting, sure.
But no he was not.
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