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Rubbish Bird was great and the more important the game the greater he usually became. Today he would be unstoppable.
oh and Jimmy jackson is dumb and got cucked for Toni Braxton by his own team-mates.
Rubbish Bird was great and the more important the game the greater he usually became. Today he would be unstoppable.
thisWhy is racism allowed for black folks? Do you imagine a former white baseball scrub saying Jackie Robinson wasn't a transformational player?
Bird is easily a top 5 player of all-time. Dude could shoot, pass, rebound, dribble. The complete package. He was easily better than Magic, tbh.
Bird could do anything Magic did, plus shoot at elite levels and don't be a complete traffic cone on D. There's literally no point to make to have Magic over Bird.
pretty much
I said he had GOAT level talent, not that he's in the conversation (injuries took care of that)
Plus Bird is easily top 10 (more like top 5)
Having never seen him play (too young), I actually went into it thinking I might end up agreeing with you, but nah if anything that video helps his case. High release point, knows how to use hus body to keep defenders grounded on his fadeaway, his fadeaway looks smooth and he gets decent elevation on it, solid handles. He looks like the real deal.
Definitely wayyyyy better than Donutcic will ever be, tbh.
Pretty sure Bird couldn't take a the way Magic could.
I can't imagine what Bird could have accomplished if he didn't his back up in the summer of 83. Unbelievable how amazing he was playing most of his career hurt.I said he had GOAT level talent, not that he's in the conversation (injuries took care of that)
Plus Bird is easily top 10 (more like top 5)
Im not even gonna make this argument because i can see SOME of yall are race baiting and secondly I dont have to.
All the lists you niccas point to that have Duncan and Lebron over Achilles also have Magic over Bird.
Either those lists you used to buffer your duncan arguments are legit or horse but you sure were enjoying Bean at 12 ...
I dont have to be biased i just point to ...I said he had GOAT level talent, not that he's in the conversation (injuries took care of that)
Plus Bird is easily top 10 (more like top 5)
this http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page...t-players-ever
or
this https://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/09/mi...y-nba-greatest
we can take my bias out of it ...
In his era, Tim was more physically equipped at 7’ 260lb to carry his franchise despite having an arguably worse supporting cast (during his early years 00-03). He demonstrated he could truly carry his team to rings, in a small market without huge favoritism that comes along with the Boston/LA/NYC/arguably Chicago markets. The league wasn’t that interested in making a team from SA it’s banner team, and those finals had low ratings. But Duncan was that much better than the compe ion that it worked, despite having supporting casts with guys like this nd of career Steve Smith, end of career post cancer Sean Elliott, end of career back problems DRob, end of career Terry Porter etc. those guys don’t compare to McHale, Parrish and co, all of which Bird had to help shoulder the load.
BTW if you can ball race doesnt matter as a Cowboys fan I love LVH and Jaylon Smith but for some reason I just love the way LVH plays
The Wolf Hunter is "my nicca" even over Jaylon who is also a beast.
Way too high tbh
One last note on Jim Jackson is what he saying really a dig.
Dirk was more transofrmational .., but Bird was teh all around better player.
Bird and Magic helped save the NBA so MJ could grow it further ...
Bird's legacy is in permanent ink. he just aint greater than Lebron or Magic.
Bird would have been Jim Jackson at worst, Grant Hill / Glen Rice / Joe Johnson at best in the 90s/00s where teams had enforcers that put guys on their backs. In today’s NBA he would be like Doncic. Pretty damn good. But guys like KD, LeBroom, Kawhi would all over his unathletic ass
Maybe. I don't really care tbh and he will get bumped down over time anyways
KK81 getting on per par and lying about his bias.
Bird was just a better 2 way player. Johnson is very close, but in their absolute primes, Bird kills Magic since AIDs couldnt.
Soon you will see the same exact critiques of Duncan's game that you do of Birds. Because there is no numerical value for fundamentals, work ethic or leadership. NBA will never test for IQ either. Duncan and Bird were slow, couldn't jump and had boring personalities. These are now increasingly the measuring sticks for talent.
Comparing Birds roster to Duncan's, I'm not seeing a large gap or even one. As if Johnson, Ainge and Maxwell were world beaters. They had a core of 3 just like Tim\Ginobili and Parker. Then had guys come and go like Robinson to Walton.
Your fascination with s is disturbing.
Agree fully with this
bird's skill set would not translate to today's game at all. if you've played basketball you would understand the argument. watch game tape of bird play, how he dribbles, how he shoots, foot work, maneuverability, etc and compare it to players today it's not even comparable. the game's mechanics have evolved greatly because of the improvements in phsyciality, speed, and athleticism. the moves and the shots that bird would be equipped with would not work against today' comp. bird would have to completely redefine how he would handle and shoot the ball to play in today's league.
bird for the time he was playing was an elite and another cog in the transformation of the game and suitable for his era. however for today? not so much
Last edited by E20; 12-06-2018 at 05:13 PM.
also lmao duncan was not slow, he became crippled with plantar fasciitis during the middle/latter parts of his career, duncan much like most of the nba was a freak athlete. he prolonged his career because he was so highly skilled and his skills were aligned with the modern era.
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