Popovich: Kawhi Was Not a Leader

[Hoops Czar]

The Spurs live rent free in your head that's why post here 24/7. Pretty stupid that '07 still bothers you since the Cavs had zero chance to win that series. Out of all the teams you could have picked to obsess about hating you pick the Spurs when they are plenty of other teams that have tormented the Cavs more such as the KG-Celtics and the current Warriors. Then again I can see why you have a strong hatred for the Spurs since the Spurs success with the 5 les is what you wish the Cavs could have been with Lebron.

It has to suck that you can't even masturbate without using Viagra.

Like I said....

I'm also glad you're bringing up the Cavs in a Kawhi thread. Those tears hurt so bad, you need to change the subject just to help you cope with everyday life.

[DMC]

Kawhi without Lowry: barely overcomes a double digit deficit due to Danny hitting a 3 vs MIA and gets destroyed by Orlando. Maybe Lowry has more value than people thought.

What a lot of people (especially here) seem to ignore is how well a player has adapted to the team. Kawhi just started, I don't expect him to be as smooth and know where people are going to be as Lowry who's been there far longer. Kawhi is an iso player with flashes of team play. He's a throwback in that regard, and in that he plays at both ends instead of taking possessions off on defense. I think he'll be fine, but we're talking about Toronto and Lowry being their 2nd best player (not counting Ibaka). They also lost their big to an injury (Draymond strikes again, and with Lebron as well).

I think Lowry has value on the team but he's regular season hero. Kawhi is the next gear if he cares enough to go there. Toronto better be great on the road in the post season if Kawhi is only going to play every other game.

[DPG21920]

How 'bout det DeRozen leadership? If DeRozen was even a tenth of the Player Leonard was on his best day, would we ever be talking about Leonard?

What does that have to do with Kawhi and TOR? People on here have been discussing how without Kawhi, TOR is winning games (and the reasons for that). Then when it’s reversed and it’s Kawhi but no Lowry, they eek out a win and get destroyed by ORL.

It was a point to say TOR has good players other than just Kawhi and Lowry has a big impact, especially in the regular season.

[Dverde]

With his defensive effort dipping off this year, I don’t think he is a top five player. Somewhere between 7-10. Demar will never be as good as apex Nephew, but I think is a better leader and teammate. He’ll probably have more longevity too. Nephew without his elite defensive skills is a dime a dozen player.

[loveforthegame]

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[bic50]

KY and Kawhiheads

Well into the season and you're still this salty.

[bic50]

With his defensive effort dipping off this year, I don’t think he is a top five player. Somewhere between 7-10. Demar will never be as good as apex Nephew, but I think is a better leader and teammate. He’ll probably have more longevity too. Nephew without his elite defensive skills is a dime a dozen player.

Nope

[bic50]

Funny how Elliott did not mention Kiwi’s name as possible MVP candidate when he touched on Jokic should be included as possible candidate. He mentioned Giannis, Harden, Russ, AD but conveniently left Kiwi

Kl missed too many games to get serious consideration imo

[Ignazzz]

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[Hoops Czar]

What does that have to do with Kawhi and TOR? People on here have been discussing how without Kawhi, TOR is winning games (and the reasons for that). Then when it’s reversed and it’s Kawhi but no Lowry, they eek out a win and get destroyed by ORL.

It was a point to say TOR has good players other than just Kawhi and Lowry has a big impact, especially in the regular season.

Kawhi wasn't brought in to win regular season games, he was brought in to win postseason games. Of course Toronto has enough surrounding talent to win 50+ regular season games but their regular season success doesn't translate to the postseason. I personally think it's more damning that Toronto wins games convincingly without Kawhi AND DeRozen.

[Hoops Czar]

With his defensive effort dipping off this year, I don’t think he is a top five player. Somewhere between 7-10. Demar will never be as good as apex Nephew, but I think is a better leader and teammate. He’ll probably have more longevity too. Nephew without his elite defensive skills is a dime a dozen player.

What qualities have you seen in DeRozen that makes you think he's a better leader than Kawhi Leonard? He isn't even as good as baseline Kawhi with a gimp though it would make for a much more compe ive comparison.

[Dverde]

What qualities have you seen in DeRozen that makes you think he's a better leader than Kawhi Leonard? He isn't even as good as baseline Kawhi with a gimp though it would make for a much more compe ive comparison.

The many Raptor teammates that say they will miss his leadership. He probably returns his teammates texts’ too.

[Mikeanaro]

The many Raptor teammates that say they will miss his leadership. He probably returns his teammates texts’ too.

Uncle is the one returning the messages, nephew cant write.

[daslicer]

Like I said....

I'm also glad you're bringing up the Cavs in a Kawhi thread. Those tears hurt so bad, you need to change the subject just to help you cope with everyday life.

The fact that you are a Cavs fan posting on a Spurs forum 24/7 whenever the Spurs lose shows that you are still bitter about '07. I know you are jealous deep down inside that the Spurs were able to win 5 les with Duncan while your organization was only able to get 1 le out of Lebron.

[duncan2k5]

Kawhi on Toronto is CLEARLY better than when they have DeRozan... No one seriously considered them to even make the finals last year, nevertheless win... U can't compare Kawhi who has only played a quarter season (if that) to Lowry who has been there forever... Of course their chemistry will be better... But as the person said before, they're also winning without demar... Our bench blew out teams when Duncan and Parker sat... But we knew that wasn't sustainable, especially in the playoffs

[YGWHI]

The many Raptor teammates that say they will miss his leadership. He probably returns his teammates texts’ too.

It's funny how some people are willing to believe in Raptors players' comments on Derozan leadership but not in Kawhi's...Those guys are saying the same about Kawhi "he's a good leader...he talks...whatever"

"but but they just want Kawhi to stay. that's why they... "

[Play Boban]

If I saw Kawhitter on the street I don’t even know what I would do tbh.

[Play Boban]

Kawhi on Toronto is CLEARLY better than when they have DeRozan... No one seriously considered them to even make the finals last year, nevertheless win... U can't compare Kawhi who has only played a quarter season (if that) to Lowry who has been there forever... Of course their chemistry will be better... But as the person said before, they're also winning without demar... Our bench blew out teams when Duncan and Parker sat... But we knew that wasn't sustainable, especially in the playoffs

Incorrect. LABron going to the lakers is why the Kawhitters will make the playoffs. It has nothing to do with No. 2.

[YGWHI]

With his defensive effort dipping off this year, I don’t think he is a top five player. Somewhere between 7-10...Nephew without his elite defensive skills is a dime a dozen player.

His advanced def stats are since last months of 2016 but he's still an elite defender and keeps winning games on that end.

That's how Raptors won vs GSW/Pacers in Toronto. Kawhi stole the ball from KD/Oladipo hands in crucial 4th q possessions.

Forced Giannis' airball..

Defensive effort is there

Since his main assignment is Simmons

Saying he's not elite on defense anymore is not accurate.

[YGWHI]

Kawhi without Lowry: barely overcomes a double digit deficit due to Danny hitting a 3 vs MIA and gets destroyed by Orlando. Maybe Lowry has more value than people thought.

There is some context.

Lowry had a healthy Valenciunas and Siakam all games.
Kawhi had to play games without Lowry/JV/Siakam (without 2 starters and best bench player) vs top teams like Denver on the road. Just because he played great it was a close game until last minute

Also, Kawhi has nothing to do with some teammates' slumps

Raptors have a winning record without Lowry 5-3 but obviously they miss him. He's the starting pg, longest player in Toronto on this roster, and All-Star talent.

However...I've said this before...Having Lowry as 2nd best player/option will be Raptors' biggest weakness in playoffs.

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How come we NEVER heard anything about his daughter until he needed a face saving excuse for bailing on the raptors??

[SwansonInSibagat]

Kawhi.

[Dejounte]

Kawhi stand will still be here even when Kawhi has moved onto his tenth team, ten years later. That's how sad his fans are. Move on. Stop posting on a team forum you don't follow.

[RD2191]

Kawhi stand will still be here even when Kawhi has moved onto his tenth team, ten years later. That's how sad his fans are. Move on. Stop posting on a team forum you don't follow.

Shut yo ass up.

[Dejounte]

Shut yo ass up.

Tough internet guy LMAO