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the west really isn’t wide open just because the standings are as close as they are tbh.
I think this is right.
the west really isn’t wide open just because the standings are as close as they are tbh.
Can only be traded for a one for one deal. How you get around it is also do a second trade involving other players. But the orginal one on one trade must have salaries matching within the rules.
The team is starting to click and finding its rhythm. No issues in the locker room either. As LMA said, it's now a brotherhood. Why break it up?
Because it still isn't good enough to contend.
no breaking the team up. Keep the 9 rotation players + Walker and try to get a 3-and-D SF. That means move Gasol + filler. Bazemore, Porter, Carroll and Stanley Johnson should be available, maybe Covington. See which one you can get and if you have to throw in the Toronto pick do it. If Gay goes down we are left with 8 rotation players, this team right now goes 9 deep. As soon as you have to play one of the other 5 players on the team it creates problems. We have to be 10 deep for the Playoffs.
The rule isn't for the whole season. It's just for two months. That period would end in less than two weeks.
You don't need a one-for-one, even within the 60-day limit. Minny isn't allowed to add salary to Covington to let them take back someone. The Spurs would be able to aggregate as many players as they want to.
The tier list is:
Covington
Porter
Everyone else
They aren't interchangeable. Only the top two guys are worth trading a pick and rotation players. Guys like Stanley Johnson just don't make sense for anything more than like Pon and Metu or Cun and a second.
I'd rather the Spurs take a chance to see if they can find their next Danny Green type find from the G League then trade for a ridiculous contract like Porters or Bazemores' (not too mention he's tiny for the position). They have to see what they have in Ben Moore 1st imo.
Who would want Pon and Cun though? With Metu there's atleast an honest chance of some team biting, but the former 2 are fillers in a salary dump scenario at the very very best.
I would disagree that LMA is giving it his all this season. But iff you think LMA will have very little left in the tank next season, why hang on to him? Trade him now.
If you can get Bazemore then do it. While you're at it get Dedmon too.
Nobody is making the Spurs this year good enough to contend with GS in the playoffs. Or Houston. Or LA if they trade for AD (difficult but still possible).
Seriously, it is January, GS hasn't yet started playing and they are #2. By April they will be kicking butts again.
The core is good, a couple summer trades plus Murray, this team will be solid good next year -it already is a playoff team.
The way the NBA is structured now, there is no way to really "contend" in a small market, no superstar FA will sign. And you need two of those to just sniff "contention".
There isn't a trade or two that can turn them into contenders but they're having as good a transitional year as you could imagine given the injuries. With Muray, White, Walker and Forbes they have a solid backcourt for the future with the potential to develop one or two into real difference makers. Bertans and Poeltl in the frontcourt is OK too, so they have pieces and it's important to develop them. LMA, Gay and DeRozan aren't going to win the Spurs a championship but they're helping the young guys develop by taking some of the pressure off of them and being compe ive in general, which is better than developing while getting blown out every game like Phoenix or Chicago or Atlanta or many other teams in such a position, so the vets are valuable to the team in this sense. I don't think they'll trade either of them.
That said, I think they'll look to make a trade using one of the first round picks, even both if there's a decent player available that they could add to the future core. Barring trades, they have 11 players with guaranteed money on the roster for next season and will very likely keep Gay too. Gasol's situation is still a question. I think it's unlikely that they'd want to add two more rookies. Besides, it seems this rookie class is looked on as quite weak outside of the first couple of picks ( I've no idea whether it's true, don't watch and don't know college basketball ).
Gasol's situation with his unguaranteed contract is interesting. He'll have more value at the draft than at the trade deadline because if I'm not mistaken ( Chinook can confirm? ) he'd still be able to be traded at his current year's salary and not only the guaranteed portion of it and it'd allow a team that's desperate to clear cap space right before FA kicks off ( Knicks? ). At the trade deadline expirings would be more valuable than Pau's contract, but by draft time there'll be only a handful of big unguaranteed contracts ( Pau, Favors, JR Smith, Hill - if not traded before that ) that'd be able to help teams clear additional cap space immediately.
If pau’s not traded by the deadline, SA can only take back salary equal to the guaranteed portion on his next season salary. His trade value vanishes. They’ve closed a lot of loopholes in the most recent CBA.
Except blatant tampering.
On trading DDR: no, no and no. Ballhandling, distribution and scoring all take a huge hit without him. Plus you don’t trade an All NBA player with whom things are generally working out within half a year of trading for him unless it’s a video game. Piss off fans and show zero loyalty to players.
I’m fine trading one of the two picks but not both. The young core has gone from being barren to pretty exciting in just a few months (assuming Murray comes back strong and even improves). We haven’t even seen Walker yet, and Poeltl and White are at worst very good rotation guys. So you can afford to push in some chips with a Gasol or Mills and try to bring back a better fit with this roster.
Either that, or use the two picks to try to move up in the draft next June. Assuming LMA doesn’t fall off a cliff, this team will be better next year with healthy Murray and flipping Gasol’s partial guarantee for something that fits the team better (don’t get me wrong ... I think Gasol has been better than others say, but Poeltl makes him redundant, especially if Nikola ever shows up).
Thank you, X. That is correct. Pau's value doesn't completely go down next year, because he will likely be just as easy if not even more easy to dump once teams get into next summer. But he won't have the same power to bring back a difference-maker than he does this year.
Big guys tend to stay effective a little longer than the little guys. Don’t depend on their speed and agility as much. In fact, that’s probably part of why Aldridge is able to play at such a high level. I mean, I’m all for doing whatever it takes to get in a position to potentially ring, but I don’t know if it’s threat level midnight 11th hour must trade for another major piece situation. Maybe, maybe not.
Why the would you trade for Lonnie for Covington? i'm fine with any combo of Beli, Bryn, Pau or one of the 2019 firsts but Lonnie might have the highest ceiling out of their 3 young backourt guys. You don't trade him away without knowing what you fully have so you can get bounced in the 2nd round.
I loved the Lonnie pick and was on the hype train before almost anyone else, but the dude isn't Doncic or anything. Trading him for arguably the best role-player in the league is not a bad deal. Of course there's a (shrinking) chance that Walker is a star, but that's why he has value in the first place. There's a better chance that he doesn't become as good, and then what do you do? Don't make him another Hickson/Beaubois
It's not either he becomes a star or he's not good, there's some middle ground and I think there's a pretty good chance he becomes a better player than Covington in 2-3 years. Sure maybe the timeline doesnt line up with DD/LMA but i don't think the difference between Covington and Porter in the Spurs system is that significant, not enough to trade away their highest pick since Leonard IMO at least.
You move him if you have concerns about his long-term health but I think you have to give him another summer league and training camp before making the call on him this early into his career.
But but...we weren’t supposed to this year anyway...
Dammare Carrol would be my pick, but not sure what marginal asset the Nets would want from the Spurs. It doesn’t appear they’re doing a buyout at this point.
I know that. Not everybody on the list is worth a pick but it depends on the overall package. I doubt that Covington is available though and there's no way I'd trade Walker for any of these
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