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Blackballed from what, by whom? You're just a poster on an online forum, right?
i like how he told that camera man to off
Blackballed from what, by whom? You're just a poster on an online forum, right?
So did Pop when he said the media took his leadership quotes about Kawhi out of context.
This might have been the intent, to push away from superteams and create parity. Maybe. But the result has been too many borderline and straight up ty players get the supermax. It's a terrible idea.
Would have been better if he told Nephew to off.
It was glorious and you can't tell Me the players didn't come out to make a statement on Kawhi. That was the most intense and aggressive I have seen the Spurs play since the redemption Finals...they knew what they were doing.
0 point game from Danny, so I guess it's like he never left.
Writer could not have gotten that more wrong.
Shame he didn't make the first three; you could tell the crowd wanted to cheer their appreciation.
KACHOKE SUCKS
One more thing that was answered last night is that it's time to move on from Kawhi. We have a collection of young talented players in the program and the Spurs may do some damage in the second half of the year. Pop and RC really deserve a salute.
This is basically correct, except I differ about taking offense. This is a business, and most players work with professional agents precisely so that players aren't taking offense over contract offers.
My outsider's take is that every big time player has issues with his team from time to time, Tim and Manu included. Kawhii did as well. But those issues became tack-ons and exacerbating factors when two more material problems arose:
(1) the likely negotiation of supermax or no supermax, when Kawhi and his inexperienced camp probably thought it should have been offered immediately after the conclusion of the 2017 season, and
(2) the injury issues and friction over proper injury management.
Even if mistakes were made by PAFTO in #2, they invariably would not have been as big a deal if they were not tied up with #1. It was the toxic mix of injury and money, and RC was even using it explicitly to withhold the supermax (if only for a time). Then all the peripheral noise becomes more of a bother -- comments from teammates, any negative comment or at ude from RC or ownership, etc., perceived arrogance over injury management.
Lastly, add Uncle Dennis to the fire, whereby he is probably in Kawhi's ear and providing a negative narrative, when Uncle isn't getting his special requests met - like a job with the organization and who knows what else. They saw Westbrook's All-Star game treatment and the ideas started churning.
I see a lot of posters talking about "fault" and allocating blame/fault, even timvp. But this situation deals with human choices, not chemical reactions. Nothing "caused" Kawhi to request a trade and sit-out when healthy, and ignore the team in the PO's. Instead, the question is whether his behavior was reasonable under the cir stances.
Kawhi is free to want to leave at any time - he is an adult. But contracts and teammate promises impose a social ethic of being upfront and fulfilling commitments. Kawhi wasn't required to "wait" without at least asking for a trade--no player is--but his manner of seeking an exit has been well covered and was overall very poor and unprofessional. And he did not really give a final word or opportunity to the people who helped him become the Claw and Finals MVP. That aspect is sad.
But I have no ill will for the guy. I'm still a big fan and really like watching him play. But I'm a Spurs fan first, so last night's drubbing was most welcome. I also love our team of underdogs with big hearts and underrated talent. We will make noise this year and next. Count on it.
I'll be honest, I've avoided watching Toronto this year until last night. One game, but I really didn't notice the Nephew defensively. In the past teams oftened schemed around his defense. It's been over a year and a half since I've seen him play and he does look a little bigger and not as quick on his feet.
Was trying to find this video. After thinking about what could've been spoken, I think Pop was obviously trying to extend a hand to Kawhi and make sure he knows they still consider him a former Spur in good standing and that if he ever wanted Chips advise or help he could ask Chip anytime. Kawhi's 3 pt struggles are well do ented so far this season and it was also a PR move to alleviate some of this huge backlash against Kawhi and their family. Nobody wants to be mad at each other forever.
this makes no sense...out 2017 team had more chemistry...no one had any behavioral issued except LMA because he didnt get his shots
When your Supermax Guy is an isolated player who doesn't talk much and isn't vocal when the team is struggling that is a big gap in chemistry. The chemistry this year appears way better than 2017. You can tell the players like each other more too. Sorry... but the chemistry right now is blossoming and is so fun to watch. Your missing out on it obviously by trying to defend Kawhi.
yeah right, that's why David Lee said that team didn't have any locker room chemistry (and that wasn't due to LA). You're truly mentally re ed. I guess you got a mental disability
I wonder why pop brought KL over to Chip? To thank him for fixing his shot?
Let me debunk this myth. They weren't very chintzy when it came to the Paddy and Pau contracts or even with the RJ and Aldridge extensions. Why would they try to lowball a top 3 player in the NBA? I don't take issue with the PATFO not wanting to give a SM to a player coming off a serious, possibly chronic injury without seeing him on the court but Leonard and his camp never gave the Spurs an opportunity to give him such a deal because he blatantly and unequivically refused to take the court for the Spurs again.
All's I know is that was a beautiful game to watch.
I smiled for hours.
Stop bringing up Mills and Gasol for 's sake. And it's not a myth. Throughout the Duncan era, the front office has sought to control contracts. I don't see them ever wanting to dole out a supermax, certainly not for a player whose health was I question.
Unless they wanted it ahead of time. They did sign the full length extension the summer before the max jumped up like 50%. It was a definite team friendly max for both LMA and Kawhi.
The MYTH that Kawhi is about the money. If he cared about money, he would have dumped uncle Dennis a long time ago since he's already costed Leonard millions on top of millions of dollars. Why is it so hard to believe that Leonard's motivation probably lies elsewhere? He showed zero indication that he wanted a SM from the Spurs.
It's really tough to have it both ways. Players don't want to play here because it's a small market but when you strike it rich in the draft and develop a top three player in the NBA, you don't want to pay to keep him. How will the Spurs survive in the future?
Btw, those Mills and Pau contracts destroyed the Cap space for three years. I also should have thrown in the Parker extension because posters in this forum loved to about it and the time they gave Manu a 15M/1 year contract at age 39 because afterall, it's just money.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 01-04-2019 at 06:59 PM.
2017 Kawhi was definitely worth the supermax. They either had worries about his health or his uncle was a cancer and created problems all over the place. Something was definitely up. But also Kawhi changed. I heard in an interview a couple of days ago some journalist was trying to write a story about him and Kawhi started talking about his brand. The journalist was confused as of what Kawhi's brand really is, since he doesn't have any social media accounts etc.
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