Murray is expendable

[TimmyBuckets]

I agree with immortal tbh. While Gay's 3pt shot has been a pleasant surprise this year, he's never going to provide the same spacing that Bertans does. And right now our starting unit needs all the 3pt juice it can get, which is why Forbes has been so effective. I don't think you can just swap Forbes for Murray and hope for the spacing to work out.

A corresponding swap of Gay for Bertans could help offset it, though. Gay will also be a little older next year, and a decrease in role is expected. You would hope that by next year, Lonnie will have an acceptable 3pt shot, and so Forbes/Walker backcourt with Gay at the 4 will give enough punch off the bench.

Bertans instead of Gay can work too, but I think we lose a better playmaker and slightly better defender. Though, the shooting might make up for that.

[spurraider21]

Bertans instead of Gay can work too, but I think we lose a better playmaker and slightly better defender. Though, the shooting might make up for that.

Swapping forbes for murray is also improving playmaking and defense.

[Keepin' it real]

Awful take.

[DaBears]

white>first year murray given the many opportunities he had, didnt do much

murray if he doesnt develop a reliable jumpshot or stretch the floor, then his expendable, same could be said about walker

but both are on dirt cheap deals anyway....

murray and walker, one of them have to become a 3d player or at least be able to play position less on t he perimeter where they can do everything but master of none...

Walker & DJ only need to play good defense and able to create their own shoot off the dribble, which will lead to getting others open.. They dont have to be knock down shoots, just be able to create.

[DaBears]

Players that can create their own shot attempts & play D are more valuable than a straight spot up shooter.

[Keepin' it real]

I know he will put in the work. The dude is hungry and has an amazing at ude about basketball and the Spurs.

It's funny you said this. I agree he has displayed positive at ude since Pop made him the starter. But I recall his body language and potential at ude issues back in his summer league days.

And, if he comes back to find himself behind Forbes and White, I wonder how positive his at ude will be then.

[Keepin' it real]

Murray remains a great asset but the only worry is how he comes back after tearing that ACL. That can be a career-altering injury.

In the 1980s, sure. But today, it's merely a temporary setback. Heck, in the NFL, Adrian Peterson came back a year after a torn ACL to rush for over 2000 yards and win league MVP!

Murray will be fine.

[TimmyBuckets]

Swapping forbes for murray is also improving playmaking and defense.

Sure, I'm fine with either guy at the 4. Though, neither is a good defender. Man a 3 and D would be great.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I don't trust Murray to ever develop a 3pt shot.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

It's funny you said this. I agree he has displayed positive at ude since Pop made him the starter. But I recall his body language and potential at ude issues back in his summer league days.

And, if he comes back to find himself behind Forbes and White, I wonder how positive his at ude will be then.

He never caused any problems or complained to the media. He cheered his teammates on and was genuinely happy when they had success as a rookie. However he just come off a year of being the man at Washington to where he didn't play At all his rookie year. It's a tough transition for anybody nevermind a 19 year old kid. I thought he handled it fine and has matured as a leader of the team since then.

[DPG21920]

DBPM is a pretty useless stat, tbh. (Considering Robinson is 4th all-time and Duncan is 6th, it'd be cool if it was a legit.) DBPM is BMP minus OBPM ... so it isn't even directly attempting to quantify defense. On top of that, it's all based off of boxscore stats and I'd say 98% of good defense doesn't result in a block, steal or rebound.

True. OBPM is a decent state because it adjusts for pace and it’s a lot easier to account for offensive box score stats as they relate to impact. Not perfect, but compared to DBPM its usable.

[paperboy77]

White being this good makes the other PG redundant and therefore expendable. Besides Murray’s shooting, his passing skills and peripheral vision suck. I’m also not sure he’s 2nd Team All Defence either. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him shut anyone down. Not really. The best thing he really does is board, provides toughness and maybe the ability to be a leader.

Still... it’s in the best interest of the team if Pop can solve this logjam of starting caliber PGs and keep them both. If DJ wants to stay essential to the team the guys got a load of work to do. (But we already new that.)

Good problem to have though!

[paperboy77]

Walker & DJ only need to play good defense and able to create their own shoot off the dribble, which will lead to getting others open.. They dont have to be knock down shoots, just be able to create.

Lonnie we don’t know but DJ has already proven what he can do. Yes there’s still time to improve but creating for others is typically an instinctive thing. His peripheral vision is not that good which makes being creative it even harder to learn. But the guy got hurt and lost this opportunity to show what he’s got. Feel terrible for him.

[Dverde]

You guys are completely overreacting to Derrick White. Two weeks ago everyone was saying he is a bust. He seems like a nice bench player with potential to be a reliable starter. He makes Patty Mills further expendable...that is all. We need a healthy DJ to compete in the West.

[koriwhat]

murray is not expendable when you want a back court to resemble the one we had in wingstop albeit a bit shorter in height. i can't wait to see what our defense will look like with both murray and white in the lineup together.

[SAGirl]

I don't trust Murray to ever develop a 3pt shot.

I am in the "see to believe" field. And that field requires that he play. We will see what happens next season. I wish him success.

[duncan2k5]

Is this the same idiots that said Aldridge and De Rozan won’t work out because both are mid-range shooters?

explain to me how they have worked out...maybe i missed something

[Pavlov]

explain to me how they have worked out...maybe i missed something

You missed last night's game.

[duncan2k5]

You missed last night's game.

ok so one game in a season that's only a quarter of the way finished means things worked out? clearly we have different standards...

[Chinook]

what about DRPM?

he was #1 among all point guards last year

It's fine. A lot of folks think it's the best we have, but it has its own issues.

Anyway, his point isn't that Murray's not great a defense. He's on record praising Murray's impact on that end. His point is just it doesn't make sense to use DBPM, especially to try to make it seem like Murray is a Prime Duncan--level defender. Tim is arguably the best defensive player ever. Murray still has a lot of room to grow even to become a complete defender in his own right, let alone an all-time great.

[Pavlov]

ok so one game in a season that's only a quarter of the way finished means things worked out? clearly we have different standards...

Sure, your standard is things that don't fit your agenda cannot be accepted under any cir stances.

[duncan2k5]

Sure, your standard is things that don't fit your agenda cannot be accepted under any cir stances.

u guys are saying one games proves they meshed...and im the one that's off? lmfao

[Pavlov]

u guys are saying one games proves they meshed...and im the one that's off? lmfao

You don't think they've made any progress as a team whatsoever? I do.

OK, that wouldn't fit your agenda.

[duncan2k5]

You don't think they've made any progress as a team whatsoever? I do.

OK, that wouldn't fit your agenda.

making progress doesnt equate to working out...our 2017 team was VASTLY better than this one, and one of our main guys didnt like his role and demanded a trade...this team wont even pass the first round of the playoffs...and LMA/DDR are notorious playoff chokers...i dont consider that working out

[Pavlov]

making progress doesnt equate to working out...our 2017 team was VASTLY better than this one, and one of our main guys didnt like his role and demanded a trade...this team wont even pass the first round of the playoffs...and LMA/DDR are notorious playoff chokers...i dont consider that working out

Oh, so you projected your agenda into things that haven't even happened yet.

lol