Murray is expendable

Originally Posted by duncan2k5

making progress doesnt equate to working out...our 2017 team was VASTLY better than this one, and one of our main guys didnt like his role and demanded a trade...this team wont even pass the first round of the playoffs...and LMA/DDR are notorious playoff chokers...i dont consider that working out

Kawhi was healthy in 2015, everything went wrong in the first round.
Is that a choke? he was the reigning ¨FMVP¨.

Why does duncan2k5 hate the Spurs so much?

Maybe expendable if it's Gasol-Mills-Murray-1st-Milutinov for Anthony Davis.

Otherwise just roll with him. I worry about his skill development due to the injury, but looking forward to him next season

I see no trade on the horizon, Pop is trying to build something and leave it to his successor, its pretty obvious. Spurs would never trade 1st round picks especially now that you don't have a real superstar. We dont have the assets for AD.

yeah, barring another find like kawhi, i'm still not sure what the spurs future is supposed to look like. i like murray/white a lot, but they are complementary pieces. davis is a good role player. walker isn't somebody we can really be banking on. LMA is at the end of his prime. we do have derozan for the next season or 2. but we dont have "the guy" who's supposed to take over and lead 3-4 years down the line

Finally had a chance to read through the thread.

-Murray's "relentless" drive and work ethic. I have my doubts about it. He showed great flashes his rookie year (still remember his coming out party at CLE) and I was all in on him. Summer League going into his sop re year he was getting all sorts of hype, the coaches were calling it his SL team/his time, we were all hyped to watch him dominate. I was expecting him to look like a man amongst boys out there and what did he do? Laid a huge ing egg. So much so that the Spurs started sitting him to prevent him from embarrassing himself even further. Bryn was the one that made that team his and showed tons of improvement. Real hard workers don't feel the need to let everyone know how hard they work, they just do it. He's a good instagram baller but what is he doing when the cameras aren't on?

-His defense. Wasn't most of ST surprised when he was named 2nd Team All-Defense last year? Now all of a sudden he's being treated like he's this really special defender. I honestly think his rebounding helped him get the nod there. If he was just an average rebounder for a PG, the rest of his defense wouldn't have been enough. I think White is easily the better defender. I can't believe I read some people say White is only a good defender and that Murray is elite.

-His value. Despite the injury, I still think he's a really highly thought of prospect around the league.

-Nobody is suggesting to trade Murray for a bag of peanuts. Yeah, he can rebound and he is an above average defender but a legitimate, long 3&D player would help in those areas + fill a position of need + be a better fit with the rest of the core. I wouldn't trade him for just any half decent 3&D guy but for the right guy I absolutely would. Maybe GS is just cruising, and maybe I'm being a homer and putting too much stock into how the team has looked the last month or so...but looks pretty wide open this year and I believe the Spurs would be right in the thick of things with a legitimate 3&D guy at SF.

Originally Posted by BOHOLANO#21

Is this the same idiots that said Aldridge and De Rozan won’t work out because both are mid-range shooters?

They really weren't meshing all that well until DeRozan became more of a facilitator and Aldridge started playing bully ball instead of settling for jumpshots and fadeaways.

Originally Posted by Dverde

You guys are completely overreacting to Derrick White. Two weeks ago everyone was saying he is a bust. He seems like a nice bench player with potential to be a reliable starter. He makes Patty Mills further expendable...that is all. We need a healthy DJ to compete in the West.

lol nice bench player

He is a better player than Murray in every single aspect.

Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY

white>first year murray given the many opportunities he had, didnt do much

murray if he doesnt develop a reliable jumpshot or stretch the floor, then his expendable, same could be said about walker

but both are on dirt cheap deals anyway....

murray and walker, one of them have to become a 3d player or at least be able to play positionless on t he perimeter where they can do everything but master of none...

Rondo. The ting about Rondo is that even though he couldn't shoot, his defense was insane and his passing was GREAT. Murray doesn't have Rondo defense or passing ability(but Murray is still a good defender). If Murray doesn't get a jump shot, it's gonna make Aldridge's life miserable when he's on the floor.

Easy to player hate when said player is physically unable to play.

That White is the belle of the ball here lately is amusing.

Why would you trade any of Forbes, White, Walker, Murray or Bertans? That core, if it continues to get better, will hold the Spurs together for years. You could even add Poetl to the list. The future is bright. There is plenty of time to find that A level SF to throw into the mix.

Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Easy to player hate when said player is physically unable to play.

That White is the belle of the ball here lately is amusing.

Yeah,
I think a bit of caution is needed here. It's only been a few games, but I'm encouraged. His skills look legit.

Murray, I've always been ambivalent about. Advance stats say he is elite defensively, but his lack of O....
PATFO are high on him as are many of his teammates.
Maybe DeMar plays a lot of 3 next year....

murray is vocal, but being vocal dont mean if your game hasnt improve or translated on the court.... does he really think its his team now since big3 is gone, kawhi green anderson also left... no vocal leaders...so he decides to be one? nobody is going to listen to a draft busts

I like White and I think he is going to be legit but he’s turning 25 this summer. God knows how good DJ will be by that age and it’s not crazy to say DJ will be better when he’s 24 then when White was 24.

DJ is raw as and when he was playing last year his minutes were all over the place. Sometimes 30 minutes the next night 6 minutes. His per 36 min last year 13.5/9.5/4.8 and 2 steals. In the preseason he showed flashes of his improved jump shooting. He’s still learning the game is still fast for him, it will slow down as he gets older and more mature.

Like some people already said, I like the combo of Derrick and Dejounte. Derrick runs the offense gets them set and creates with the nice pace he plays with. With DJ he can grab boards and go coast to coast something Pop was wanting him to do last year. The Mavericks have something similar to that with Luka and DSJ.

Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY

murray is vocal, but being vocal dont mean if your game hasnt improve or translated on the court.... does he really think its his team now since big3 is gone, kawhi green anderson also left... no vocal leaders...so he decides to be one? nobody is going to listen to a draft busts

Draft bust at 29th? What?

As soon as the Spurs drop a couple in a row again, "we're injured".

No point in trading Murray, he's got plenty of upside left once the injury heals and his contract is low. Possibly a future all-star to.

I always liked our team and I know we’re one player away from really taking the next step that’s when we started off crappy was hoping for a one year tank. But got to give credit to The coaching staff and players they really have turned it around the last month.

Originally Posted by emanueldavidginobili

I like White and I think he is going to be legit but he’s turning 25 this summer. God knows how good DJ will be by that age and it’s not crazy to say DJ will be better when he’s 24 then when White was 24.

DJ is raw as and when he was playing last year his minutes were all over the place. Sometimes 30 minutes the next night 6 minutes. His per 36 min last year 13.5/9.5/4.8 and 2 steals. In the preseason he showed flashes of his improved jump shooting. He’s still learning the game is still fast for him, it will slow down as he gets older and more mature.

Like some people already said, I like the combo of Derrick and Dejounte. Derrick runs the offense gets them set and creates with the nice pace he plays with. With DJ he can grab boards and go coast to coast something Pop was wanting him to do last year. The Mavericks have something similar to that with Luka and DSJ.

I dont understand that reasoning, first he played a short rookie season like Forbes and White did, then he was training hard with Kawhi to be the best ever, what we watched? a 21 year old guy playing modern basketball having no shots, no 3 pointers, thats terrible.

He had a full season playing important minutes because Parker was injured so he shared quality time with LMA, Manu and everyone else.
On the other White played garbage time which doesnt help because its a mess so he never had a chance.
Forbes had his quality minutes, not like Murray but a lot more than White.

White has a very interesting speed, like he goes floating around.

Murray was one of those pet projects that stubborn Pop tried to feed his needs... which are beating those modern teams without a lot of 3 pointers.
But now he is having nice results with guys who shoot 3s.

I dont get when you say someone is too old to improve at 25, specially when guys now are playing until their forties.
Manu came at 25, lots of guys were younger than him, what happened? nobody had his tools.
Also Rodman came late, Robinson, Bowen, Gary Neal, Tiago, Oberto, Scola, as a Spur fan you should know age is not a big deal.

Nope.

Originally Posted by Mikeanaro

I dont understand that reasoning, first he played a short rookie season like Forbes and White did, then he was training hard with Kawhi to be the best ever, what we watched? a 21 year old guy playing modern basketball having no shots, no 3 pointers, thats terrible.

He had a full season playing important minutes because Parker was injured so he shared quality time with LMA, Manu and everyone else.
On the other White played garbage time which doesnt help because its a mess so he never had a chance.
Forbes had his quality minutes, not like Murray but a lot more than White.

White has a very interesting speed, like he goes floating around.

Murray was one of those pet projects that stubborn Pop tried to feed his needs... which are beating those modern teams without a lot of 3 pointers.
But now he is having nice results with guys who shoot 3s.

I dont get when you say someone is too old to improve at 25, specially when guys now are playing until their forties.
Manu came at 25, lots of guys were younger than him, what happened? nobody had his tools.
Also Rodman came late, Robinson, Bowen, Gary Neal, Tiago, Oberto, Scola, as a Spur fan you should know age is not a big deal.

Never once said he was to old to improve, I was just saying people are trying to send him off before we can even see what he develops into.

Derrick at 24 is a more mature basketball player let’s wait until DJ matures and improves before people try to ship him off.

Also age is a big deal when you’re young is what I’m saying, let’s give him some time.

The spurs are in an interesting spot. We have a lot of young players were developing in Murray, Forbes, White, Jakob, Walker, Metu, and potentially Nikola milutinov eventually, plus 2 first round picks this upcoming draft. Will be interesting to see what they do with those picks

No he's not. Right now the Spurs look like they have a young core developing. Why the anyone would want to be rid of anyone in that core is beyond me. Develop players. Especially young athletic players that have already shown to have a valuable skillset. At the very least, Murray is a defensive specialist and that is valuable as . But considering the kids work ethic and how much we saw him improve over the course of one year there's no reason to think that he's not going to be more than that.

Also let Derrick White have more than a few weeks of good play before we classify anyone as expendable.

Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

No he's not. Right now the Spurs look like they have a young core developing. Why the anyone would want to be rid of anyone in that core is beyond me. Develop players. Especially young athletic players that have already shown to have a valuable skillset. At the very least, Murray is a defensive specialist and that is valuable as . But considering the kids work ethic and how much we saw him improve over the course of one year there's no reason to think that he's not going to be more than that.

Also let Derrick White have more than a few weeks of good play before we classify anyone as expendable.

Is Forbes better than Patty yet though?

What about Derrick?

I’m tired of this thread. A lot of you keep talking as if you KNOW what Murray’s current skills are. He worked his ass off in the summer. NONE of us have no clue what level he would have been at right now (including me). So stop acting like you’re all know and wait until he’s ACTUALLY able to come back and play to prove himself. I know it’s a forum but this is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Is Forbes better than Patty yet though?

What about Derrick?

Forbes has played much better than I thought possible this year. Good call. I never saw Forbes being able to put together a stretch like this. I hope he keeps it up (although there is a part of me that feels it might be a house of cards).