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Or maybe the Spurs would be having a better season with him.
Thread says he is expendable, I dont think OP meant he is garbage.
But lets be honest, you think he will be something out of this world because of one summer?
Like he will be a guy full of shot selections, 3 pointers, fadeaways, etc because had one off season training?
Or maybe the Spurs would be having a better season with him.
-Answer: what's he doing when he's not Instagram balling? videos with Jilly. DuhFinally had a chance to read through the thread.
-Murray's "relentless" drive and work ethic. I have my doubts about it. He showed great flashes his rookie year (still remember his coming out party at CLE) and I was all in on him. Summer League going into his sop re year he was getting all sorts of hype, the coaches were calling it his SL team/his time, we were all hyped to watch him dominate. I was expecting him to look like a man amongst boys out there and what did he do? Laid a huge ing egg. So much so that the Spurs started sitting him to prevent him from embarrassing himself even further. Bryn was the one that made that team his and showed tons of improvement. Real hard workers don't feel the need to let everyone know how hard they work, they just do it. He's a good instagram baller but what is he doing when the cameras aren't on?
-His defense. Wasn't most of ST surprised when he was named 2nd Team All-Defense last year? Now all of a sudden he's being treated like he's this really special defender. I honestly think his rebounding helped him get the nod there. If he was just an average rebounder for a PG, the rest of his defense wouldn't have been enough. I think White is easily the better defender. I can't believe I read some people say White is only a good defender and that Murray is elite.
-His value. Despite the injury, I still think he's a really highly thought of prospect around the league.
-Nobody is suggesting to trade Murray for a bag of peanuts. Yeah, he can rebound and he is an above average defender but a legitimate, long 3&D player would help in those areas + fill a position of need + be a better fit with the rest of the core. I wouldn't trade him for just any half decent 3&D guy but for the right guy I absolutely would. Maybe GS is just cruising, and maybe I'm being a homer and putting too much stock into how the team has looked the last month or so...but looks pretty wide open this year and I believe the Spurs would be right in the thick of things with a legitimate 3&D guy at SF.
I precisely was very critical of him at the beginning bc he has a vocal presence and media presence about all that he was doing and it just wasn't showing up. He was also immature handling his terrible summer league showing but he was really young and probably was going to get traded in any number of scenarios back then together with Aldridge. But he came in last season and improved over the course of ig enough to give me hope. He's should have been still in a trajectory of improvement this year with more freedom and putting to practice what he worked on in the summer, but instead he lost a year of growth, development, and experience. Spending time rehabbing isn't the same as skill work. I just don't know what to expect with him bc it's not just the season lost, but opportunities for improvement. Still you got to see how he comes up next season.
I'll just say this:
Before he came back, Pop was talking like Derrick White was actually going to have some kind of impact on the team.
Pop also seemed to have some confidence in DeJounte.
We'll see if Pop is right.
They all were/are extremely high on Dejounte & Derrick.
Dejounte was about to be a top 10 PG in the league.
Him, Derrick, Lonnie, and Bryn are a great young core to move forward with at the 1 & 2.
dm top 10 pg in the league?? roflmao
Offensively, probably a stretch (though I think it was possible), but defensively top 5.
White and DJ should be a lockdown backcourt. With their size either of them should be able to guard the 1 or 2.
this year's forbes is better than last year's murray except on defense..
All this talk of his amazing work ethic. I guess being an instagram baller really does fool people into thinking you are a relentless gym rat.
Man you liberals sure have a lot of Hate? Why you all so Mad? Who knows how good Murray could have gotten if he wasn’t injured most posters thought White sucked and Forbes sucked and now you all over their ball sac. You all some fickle es.
Murray haters totally discount any offensive improvement, better form and results on his outside shot he was showing in pre-season before he got hurt. To make their case they revert entirely back to the past like nothing appeared to have changed from then.
He only became the youngest player to make the all NBA defensive team in NBA history. He’s also the only player at his height or shorter to record at least 400 rebounds, 90 steals & 30 blocks. Pop and Ginobili are both on record that he will reach s om and it’s just a matter of when, not if. Everyone on the team has spoken on Murray’s work ethic so I guess you weren’t paying attention.
Why does it have to be Murray haters? I don't hate him, I just don't believe in him as much as I believe in White. I think Murray will stunt White's development. Might even send White to the bench. I'm also looking at it in the short-term, it is a wide open race right now. Call me a homer all you want, but fill the biggest position of need and all of a sudden #6 isn't out of the realms of possibility, imo.
Link?
Link?Everyone on the team has spoken on Murray’s work ethic so I guess you weren’t paying attention.
Here's the thing: I do think White is showing better defense right now than Murray ever did. When I think of what it means to be a great defender, it's what Derrick is doing; it's not blindly pointing to a stats sheet like folks do with DeJounte. But at the same time, you are what your numbers say you are, at least to a certain extent. Murray's defense isn't overrated as much as it's misunderstood. He's not a lockdown guy. He never has been, and who knows if he'll ever be? But there have been really impactful guys who aren't lock-down players on that end either, like Draymond. Leonard and Green were both kinds of defenders at once, so fans got used to that just being how it worked. Murray can get there perhaps, but right now, he's just a different kind of defender. Still valuable, but not a guy you can put on someone and expect him to lock the dude down.
Offensively, Murray's also a different kind of cat. He averaged almost 14 points per-36. That's pretty close to where Danny Green was in his two-way prime. Dude wasn't efficient and couldn't really shoot, but he'd have games where you'd look up to see he had 15 points out of nowhere. Just from solid minutes, I would have expected him to be in the 12-16 ppg range. He could just score points really quickly by running past everyone and outworking folks for tip-ins. White looks to be a better offensive player right now, but there'd be a huge niche for Murray getting second-chance points this year. Of course, Murray could have also gummed up the offense more than he'd've helped it. Him being able to provide spacing would have been a huge factor, because Bryn is elite at it, and White is getting better the more people get burned for leaving him open.
White and Forbes show obvious signs of work ethic. Murray is seeming more about "the lyfe" than those two, but that doesn't mean he doesn't work hard. He got praise for his summer work two seasons in a row. I really think the mess with Kawhi changed his mentality. Dunno if it was because he had a chance to take over the franchise, or if it was because he felt insulted that Kawhi wanted to bail on him, or because he felt like the team needed him to play better once they were going to be without their star. Whatever the case, dude immediately became a rallying point for the fans and likely the players. He deserves a chance to show what he can do before folks write him off. Even if White is better in every way, having a guy almost as good in some things still seems really valuable.
His Instagram posts are awful with the urban lingo and capitalization weirdness.
I don't see any trade that Murray could fit that Walker couldn't fit better. I don't disagree that Murray is and always was expendable in the right trade. But I'm not changing my stance on him if I'm PATFO.
In a vacuum I would probably trade Walker before Murray. But I just keep going back to White. Lonnie being a 2-3 doesn't affect White being the PG on this team for the foreseeable future.
There is NO WAY that Spurs in Walker or Murray’s current states of development and Murray’s injury that a near term deal could get value in a trade for either that is worth the risk of potential sellers remorse on loss of a VERY GOOD player with return FAR LESS than loss. Not going to happen, Spurs aren’t that dumb.
Don't want to see Walker at SF long-term, not even just in a rotational capacity. Dude is 6-4/5. I see him as a solid two who might get some PG skills in time. In order words, I think he, Murray and White all pretty much play the same position, though the other two have better chances of fitting long-term with Forbes. The task for PATFO is figuring out the best of the three and locking that guy up while keeping the cheaper of the other two. It's a little early to worry about locking in too many guys, but Poeltl will also have to be paid, in addition to DeRozan, Aldridge and Bertans all being up for new contracts soon. Figuring out how to handle this is definitely not straight-forward.
Spurs will give Murray time. I would, though, quietly see is the lakers would swap Ingram for Murray. Seems like Ingram is an odd fit over there with LBJ, (and Murray and LBJ have that connection). It would depend no how high they are on Walker, but if it works Spurs get their SF of the future while clearing a potential logjam at the 1 next year.
So we are gonna throw away a 22 year old Murray for a 35 year old Aldridge who has an antiquated game and won't help us win a ring? Not to mention has a bad at ude half the time?
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