Addressing the Pau Gasol situation

[Mikeanaro]

Because we are tired of seeing players like Forbes/Patty guard the LeBron/Durant's of the world.

Remember Patty guarding Durant? that thing was a beauty...

[Chinook]

You're fuming. They are desperate.

Oh yeah, then not signing anyone and not even playing Pondexter is totally a sign they are desperate. How could I not see that?

I didn't take offense or "pimp" him. I'm not really a fan of Johnson's and don't think he's good, but I do think he'd worthwhile trying to acquire on the cheap, so long as they have some level of confidence in fixing his stroke (supposed prior interest tells me they do).

Yet you think the team should do a trade for him using Gasol's deal and having to involve multiple other teams and picks. That's not "on the cheap".

There's 10th man and splitting PF minutes with Bertans when Gay either leaves a game or can't play entirely, neither of which is uncommon. Who said anything about "hopes and dreams"? More terrible reading comprehension.

A problem you're having is that you keep inserting yourself into blank spots. My first post in this line wasn't a response to you, but you still took it that way. My comment on ST having a fantasy about Johnson doesn't have to mean you. Maybe you started it, or maybe you hopped on the bus, but the dude's been in ST's mind for more than a year now.

Guys like Johnson and gimpy Carroll are better than G-League options. Again, poor reading comprehension. I said they've given up hope with this current roster. They do need somebody. Gay can't be counted on health wise and I'd rather either a potential better current option than Cunningham or someone who could conceivably be developed into that.

This "poor reading comprehension" line is just dumb. That has nothing to do with reading what you said. What you said doesn't matter. It's just a theory without support, and no one has to make it a basis for discussion. They never tried a d-league player, let alone the multiple players teams actually try when they are desperate. We have history of them doing that already, so you're own belief in the matter hold little weight here.

[Pavlov]

They are desperate.

no

[Mikeanaro]

No Pau sitation until Pau makes it one. If he wants out, then I think Spurs would work with him to make it happen. If not, I think pau is happy to be here until I'm told otherwise.

Is not about situations, he is not a Spurs for life, he played on other teams for ages, nobody owes him shiet.
This is not about happiness either.

[Chinook]

In my opinion Spurs should have a true starting SF and backup SF. Who is our backup SF right now off the bench?

Even during this stretch, I still stand my ground that the Spurs need to add SF depth because IMO this is the key position in today's NBA; especially in a 7-game series.

In regards to the bold section, I never stated in the list below that Beli was my #1 target, just happened to be the order I pulled the player's names.

The Spurs have White, DeRozan, Gay and Bertans. Two of those players are on the court at all times. With the way that play Gay right now, they don't have a traditional 10-man rotation, so there isn't a direct correlation between the bench and starters. Gay is usually in for the bench units, and he and Bertans are the forwards. But then Gay leaves and DeRozan comes in, and he and Bertans continue to be the forwards. Gay is DeRozan's backup as much as Bertans is Gay's backup.

I think we all agree that SF depth would be nice. But bumping the thread after every loss as if they've been because of the lack of SF depth doesn't make sense. You mentioned in the Bulls game I think that Dunn scored because a guard was on him. How would that have not been the case had the Spurs had an SF? Dunn's a guard. A guard was going to be on him anyway.

I stand corrected that you didn't explicitly say that. But still, you put him on there as if he were forward depth, and the Spurs got him.

[pad300]

trade pau to memphis so he can finish his career with his brother

spurs get green/anderson back

As the Spurs, I would do that trade, but I doubt the Griz would...

[ace3g]

The Spurs have White, DeRozan, Gay and Bertans. Two of those players are on the court at all times. With the way that play Gay right now, they don't have a traditional 10-man rotation, so there isn't a direct correlation between the bench and starters. Gay is usually in for the bench units, and he and Bertans are the forwards. But then Gay leaves and DeRozan comes in, and he and Bertans continue to be the forwards. Gay is DeRozan's backup as much as Bertans is Gay's backup.

I think we all agree that SF depth would be nice. But bumping the thread after every loss as if they've been because of the lack of SF depth doesn't make sense. You mentioned in the Bulls game I think that Dunn scored because a guard was on him. How would that have not been the case had the Spurs had an SF? Dunn's a guard. A guard was going to be on him anyway.

I stand corrected that you didn't explicitly say that. But still, you put him on there as if he were forward depth, and the Spurs got him.

Why does Dunn have to be guarded by a guard? There are SFs with length and foot speed that can cover guards. You can have more than one SF on the court at all times.

[TD 21]

Oh yeah, then not signing anyone and not even playing Pondexter is totally a sign they are desperate. How could I not see that?



Yet you think the team should do a trade for him using Gasol's deal and having to involve multiple other teams and picks. That's not "on the cheap".



A problem you're having is that you keep inserting yourself into blank spots. My first post in this line wasn't a response to you, but you still took it that way. My comment on ST having a fantasy about Johnson doesn't have to mean you. Maybe you started it, or maybe you hopped on the bus, but the dude's been in ST's mind for more than a year now.



This "poor reading comprehension" line is just dumb. That has nothing to do with reading what you said. What you said doesn't matter. It's just a theory without support, and no one has to make it a basis for discussion. They never tried a d-league player, let alone the multiple players teams actually try when they are desperate. We have history of them doing that already, so you're own belief in the matter hold little weight here.

I meant it like they should be. There's no one they could sign that would be worthwhile and obviously Pondexter isn't either.

Yeah, because you never see a third team paid to take a minimal player that they can easily waive, to make a trade work. And a 2nd round pick, that currently projects around 50, what a major asset that is.

Whatever. Don't try to evade the more important part, which is that there is clearly a role available. I hate to break it to you, but it's highly unlikely the top 9 all stay healthy for the remainder of the season.

I know you like to argue and condescend, but even by your standards this fit is bizarre.

[Chinook]

Why does Dunn have to be guarded by a guard? There are SFs with length and foot speed that can cover guards. You can have more than one SF on the court at all times.

You can, but it's not like Pop is going to play five SFs just because he has them. Dude's a PG. Having a PG guard him doesn't seem absurd. I certainly wouldn't feel the take White off him, and Derrick isn't an SF.

[Chinook]

I meant it like they should be. There's no one they could sign that would be worthwhile and obviously Pondexter isn't either.

Why should they be desperate? Nothing this year has told them that SF is a pressing need for them.

Yeah, because you never see a third team paid to take a minimal player that they can easily waive, to make a trade work. And a 2nd round pick, that currently projects around 50, what a major asset that is.

You don't have five or six players involved in a trade and call it minor. You don't have multiple teams giving up picks in a trade and call it minor. Way too many moving parts.

Whatever. Don't try to evade the more important part, which is that there is clearly a role available.

There being a role available and there being a role where PATFO has to bend over backwards to fill it are different things, especially considering:

I hate to break it to you, but it's highly unlikely the top 9 all stay healthy for the remainder of the season.

Yeah, so that's why depth like Gasol has real value and shouldn't be pissed away on Johnson. Stan isn't going to come in and replace Gay. He might soak up some minutes, but Moore could do that. Gasol wouldn't replace Aldridge either, but you can win games with him as the starting center due to his pluses on offense and elite rim-protection.

I know you like to argue and condescend, but even by your standards this fit is bizarre.

You trying to call foul for "condescension" is even weirder after you tried to call me out for reading comprehension. My point is that you're passing off your assertions as fact and that you think general comments are shots at you. The first part of that is actually fine in most cases, but when you go from "I don't think there's anyone worthwhile in the d-league" to "PATFO doesn't think so", you leave yourself open to challenge. Like you can believe whatever you want about them I guess, but it's not a well-supported stance. The second part is again a sticking point with you. The general discussion for trading Pau doesn't have to align with your values on the topic. That's not condescension to point that out to you.

[lmbebo]

Is not about situations, he is not a Spurs for life, he played on other teams for ages, nobody owes him shiet.
This is not about happiness either.

Thread is about whether Pau is unhappy or not riding the bench without mins. Not so much about flipping him for another team. Different question/discussion on that.

[DPG21920]

Paus contract will also be very valuable to teams with upcoming tax problems ( POR,CLE, MIA) to name a few.

Id be willing to take on salary for the 19/20 season (only), for another 1st round pick in '20.

Spurs are likely going to have the MLE to use either way. And wont really need to use all of the MLE, because of Dejounte & Lonnie getting 20-30 mpg roles ( and leaving room for the draft pick(s) to have an opportunity..

Im expecting Rudy to be back regardless bc they can go over the cap to re sign him up to 175% of his current salary with his EB rights.

LMA - Gay - DeMar - White - Dejounte
Yak - Bertans - Lonnie - Beli or Mills - Forbes

Milutinov or Eubanks, Metu, two 1st round draft picks, player w the salary that can be bought out if needed.

I’d be all for that. Spurs are definitely rebuilding on the fly and if they can net a first round pick for helping someone out using Pau? That would be great.

[tbdog]

Is there any talk that Gasol is unhappy he isn't playing? He looks totally pro on the bench. He is supportive and has probably been in Poeltl ear all season. It was not long ago we were saying how much we miss Gasol. I am sure we win games that we lost at the beginning of the season if Gasol was playing. He looked in good shape and played very well in that second unit. He was the leader of the comeback game against the Magic before the Spurs fell short. Then again his injury forced Poeltl to play and Poeltl is a totally different player now compared to then and we probably lose games if Poeltl didn't become this good.

In short, because Gasol is out of a rotation now doesn't mean we just trade him for some junk small forward. Spurs probably need Gasol against Pistons next game and Twolves later in the month. And LMA needs some maintenance days as the season progresses.

[ace3g]

OT but Wolves just fired Thibs......After a 22 point win???? wow!!!

[TD 21]

Why should they be desperate? Nothing this year has told them that SF is a pressing need for them.



You don't have five or six players involved in a trade and call it minor. You don't have multiple teams giving up picks in a trade and call it minor. Way too many moving parts.



There being a role available and there being a role where PATFO has to bend over backwards to fill it are different things, especially considering:



Yeah, so that's why depth like Gasol has real value and shouldn't be pissed away on Johnson. Stan isn't going to come in and replace Gay. He might soak up some minutes, but Moore could do that. Gasol wouldn't replace Aldridge either, but you can win games with him as the starting center due to his pluses on offense and elite rim-protection.



You trying to call foul for "condescension" is even weirder after you tried to call me out for reading comprehension. My point is that you're passing off your assertions as fact and that you think general comments are shots at you. The first part of that is actually fine in most cases, but when you go from "I don't think there's anyone worthwhile in the d-league" to "PATFO doesn't think so", you leave yourself open to challenge. Like you can believe whatever you want about them I guess, but it's not a well-supported stance. The second part is again a sticking point with you. The general discussion for trading Pau doesn't have to align with your values on the topic. That's not condescension to point that out to you.

Because they're thin at the most important position in today's game.

I changed it to 4 players and I always had 1 pick involved. The value given up would be minor. You claimed to be on board if it meant that, but as usual had to find fault and look for an argument where there was none. Bizarre.

Again, nobody said that. More of you making up because you can't stand the idea of anyone questioning a single thing about this roster.

Totally out of touch. Depth on the wing is far more important than depth at center in this era. I don't know why you keep bringing up some 3-point shooting adverse G-Leaguer, as if he equates to the oft-mentioned names.

That wasn't condescension; it was fact. Once again, making things up. Nice try, but this time you randomly brought up Johnson directly in response to me, so don't go playing the overly sensitive card. Besides, you and dumpster got the market cornered on that one.

[Pavlov]

Because they're thin at the most important position in today's game.

I changed it to 4 players and I always had 1 pick involved. The value given up would be minor. You claimed to be on board if it meant that, but as usual had to find fault and look for an argument where there was none. Bizarre.

Again, nobody said that. More of you making up because you can't stand the idea of anyone questioning a single thing about this roster.

Totally out of touch. Depth on the wing is far more important than depth at center in this era. I don't know why you keep bringing up some 3-point shooting adverse G-Leaguer, as if he equates to the oft-mentioned names.

That wasn't condescension; it was fact. Once again, making things up. Nice try, but this time you randomly brought up Johnson directly in response to me, so don't go playing the overly sensitive card. Besides, you and dumpster got the market cornered on that one.

meltdown

Quit being such a drama queen, dude. The Spurs aren't as desperate as you. You can call scoreboard again when they don't win the NBA Finals this season.

[Chinook]

I changed it to 4 players and I always had 1 pick involved. The value given up would be minor. You claimed to be on board if it meant that, but as usual had to find fault and look for an argument where there was none. Bizarre.

It's five players at a minimum, because SA either has to waive Pon or include him (or Cun or Metu or whatever) to make the numbers work. I said "or six" because we have no idea how the selling off of Ellison works. I said two picks because you brought up compensation for taking Ellison, and a second seemed like the most obvious filler there.

I also didn't say I was on board with a Gasol for Johnson trade at all. I said I was fine with a Johnson trade if they didn't have to give up much. Gasol and a second and taking on Leur is a lot more than a simple trade like Cun and a second. I'm not as against it as you seem to believe, but I don't think the value is there. With Cun, Johnson essentially provides the same thing but with more upside. As we've been discussing, it's different calculus with Gasol instead.

Again, nobody said that. More of you making up because you can't stand the idea of anyone questioning a single thing about this roster.

Oh yeah, I loved this roster as it was constructed. Totally loved not getting a small-forward in the DeRozan trade while also losing two of the players I rooted for the hardest. That's me, the guy who never has a contrary opinion.

Totally out of touch. Depth on the wing is far more important than depth at center in this era. I don't know why you keep bringing up some 3-point shooting adverse G-Leaguer, as if he equates to the oft-mentioned names.

If the Spurs were just desperate for a forward, they'd be playing more forwards. They've done that in the past when they've been desperate at positions. Strangest hill to die on.

That wasn't condescension; it was fact. Once again, making things up. Nice try, but this time you randomly brought up Johnson directly in response to me, so don't go playing the overly sensitive card. Besides, you and dumpster got the market cornered on that one.

You started off this whole discussion accusing me of being mad and then ended up like this. What the , man? If you don't want to be associated with Johnson, that's fine. I won't mention it again. But if you start bringing him up and then trying to go all like "Aw, well I don't really want him..." then we're just going to be back here.

[Mugen]

Ship his ass out.

Keeping Pau around for his mentorship and insurance against injury

we already have enough garbage culture guys in Patty and QPon, how many more does Pop need? And if LMA and Poetl go out for a significant period of time, the Spurs will be ed anyways, Pau isn't saving the season.

The team is a defender short and there isn't a shortage of wings in the West, DWhite won't be able to guard everybody tbh.

If they get a chance at a decent wing without giving up a 1st, you do it. And I highly doubt Pau plays good soldier for long when he's racking up DNP after DNP...

[Chris]

Nando DeColo to the Raptors for Austin Daye. Nando requested a trade. Spurs won a championship that year.

Forgot all about that scrub

[Mikeanaro]

Thread is about whether Pau is unhappy or not riding the bench without mins. Not so much about flipping him for another team. Different question/discussion on that.

Nobody cares about happiness, Spurs got rid of Bowen, Iceman, Brent Barry, Oberto and most of those guys contributed to championships.
Pau is a pain in the ass, the only good thing he does on court is screaming like he´s burning alive.

[Fusternino]

Wizards just did a trade to gain "leadership" and are thin at center. I still think Mills/Gasol/picks for OPJ/Sataransky is a deal worth pursuing.

[mo7888]

Wizards just did a trade to gain "leadership" and are thin at center. I still think Mills/Gasol/picks for OPJ/Sataransky is a deal worth pursuing.

That is a deal worth considering. I'd prefer cap space but, I don't see us generating enough to get a difference maker especially in a year when so many teams have max space. My only concern with that particular trade is the player option on the last year of OPJ's deal.

[Fusternino]

That is a deal worth considering. I'd prefer cap space but, I don't see us generating enough to get a difference maker especially in a year when so many teams have max space. My only concern with that particular trade is the player option on the last year of OPJ's deal.

What about it? It would be the same year as DDR's PO and LMA's partial guarantee.

[mo7888]

Correct, I'd like the ability to create cap space by moving on from LMA after next year without having a 27M obligation to OPJ on the books.

[slick'81]

Is there any talk that Gasol is unhappy he isn't playing? He looks totally pro on the bench. He is supportive and has probably been in Poeltl ear all season. It was not long ago we were saying how much we miss Gasol. I am sure we win games that we lost at the beginning of the season if Gasol was playing. He looked in good shape and played very well in that second unit. He was the leader of the comeback game against the Magic before the Spurs fell short. Then again his injury forced Poeltl to play and Poeltl is a totally different player now compared to then and we probably lose games if Poeltl didn't become this good.

In short, because Gasol is out of a rotation now doesn't mean we just trade him for some junk small forward. Spurs probably need Gasol against Pistons next game and Twolves later in the month. And LMA needs some maintenance days as the season progresses.

Hes def happy here and making good money this season.Dont see pau asking out tbh