That is an incomplete trade scenario. Salaries won't match. Part of the deal is also getting rid of Mills or Gasol. That's why some posters are adding a second first and/or Milutinov.
I'd rather keep the picks and see if Lonnie can D up like White can. Lonnie also offers more versatility where he can utilize his deeper tool box in secondary playmaking opportunities.
Spurs need to keep drafting & developing prospects and not let a Covington stop that momentum. Plus, Lonnie is for real.
Im aware of that. I was mentioning the parts I care about.
I'm with sasaint.
I want Walker to play as well. But I would happily trade 2 unknowns + Milutinov for a locked in, in his prime, two-way player who has size at SF.
And I post that even though I might be the biggest Milutinov booster on this site and there's a player I really like for the end of the first round that I think would fit great (Thybulle). But there's no player who can be had next year on the MLE that will be as good as Covington. Not Stanley Johnson, nobody.
And if the Spurs get rid of Gay and Pau for next year, they still will be over the cap. Then they'll have to use the MLE just to replace what they got out of Gay. Doing that means they can't improve the roster more than just keeping Gay and using the MLE, and in neither scenario does Milutinov get signed anyway.
Covington is worth one of the following, certainly not all: Spurs 1st round pick, Toronto 1st round pick, and rights to Milutinov. I'd be okay if the spurs gave up the rights to Milutinov considering they've probably done their due diligence on him.
It's already an unrealistic trade but if Minny asked for all of those, I'd tell them to F off considering RC has seemingly hit on at least 2 of the last first round picks. RoCo is really good but he's not that good.
And I would be for any trade this year that helps, not just Covington. I would like a trade for Porter, as potentially hamstringing as that would be. Don't know if I would do both firsts and Milutinov, but definately 1+Milutinov I think is justified.
a Deal for Covington that works in the trade machine right now:
Pau + Milutinov to Sacramento, Koufos + 2 firsts to MIN, Covington to SA
a Deal for Porter that works right now:
Pau + Milutinov to Sacramento, Koufos + Mills + 1 first to MIN, Porter to SA
Basically I don't see the point in letting Milutinov and 2 firsts who would likely be years away from contributing (like White and Walker and Murray et al) get in the way of giving Pop his best chance to win next year. Milutinov's days are looking numbered as is. He's boxed in by the presence of Poeltl and the likely need to spend the MLE on either a new SF or a Gay replacement.
I dont think theyll need to use the MLE if they draft two guys they really like. I lost hope for DeAndre Hunter -- he will go too high. I have my eyes on Brandon Clarke and Ignas Brazdeikis. If they can get both, wow. Clarke would be fantastic at the 4 and add so much to the defense. Just needs to work on his 3 ball. PJ Washington and Tucker are others I like.
I would give up Milutinov, Belinelli, Cunningham, Pondexter, Raptors 1st for Covington
Then sell Pau to a team w tax issues, take on salary for 19/20 and get another 1st for 2020.
Only use the MLE for a great opportunity. Dont use it just to use it.
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od Givony’s
1. Zion Williamson PF Duke
2. R.J. Barrett SG/SF Duke
3. Nassir Little SF UNC
4. Ja Morant PG Murray St.
5. Cam Reddish SF Duke
6. Romeo Langford SF Indiana
7. Darius Garland PG Vanderbilt
8. Jarrett Culver SG Texas Tech
9. Keldon Johnson SF Kentucky
10. Sekou Doumbouya PF Limoges France
11. Kevin Porter PG/SG USC
12 De'Andre Hunter PF Virginia
13. Rui Hachimura PF Gonzaga
14. Jaxson Hayes C Texas
15. Bol Bol C Oregon
16. Jontay Porter C Missouri
17. Nickeil Alexander-Walker PG/SG Virginia Tech
18. PJ Washington PF Kentucky
19. KZ Okpala SF/PF Stanford
20 Luguentz Dort SG Arizona St.
21. Daniel Gafford C Arkansas
22. Tre Jones PG Duke
23. Brandon Clarke PF Gonzaga
24. Talen Horton-Tucker SF Iowa St.
25. Ayo Dosunmu PG Illinois
26. Coby White PG/SG UNC
27. Luka Samanic PF Olimpija Adriatic
28. Grant Williams PF Tennessee
29. Admiral Schofield SF/PF Tennessee
30. Eric Paschall PF Villanova
hunter out of range
clarke my fav so so.
Iggy maybe
Wake Forest ? Hoard
Wow we think alike Objective I am going to have to follow your post more closely. Lol. I have also been on the small bandwagon of bringing Nikola over since I think Gasol is pretty much done exceptionally since his foot injury. As far as drafts obviously we need a SF which I also love (Thebulle) he is the type of player that Pop will love and make him a much better player. But he will be in second round I am thinking we draft one foreign player in the first to not have to pay so much contracts.
Q-Pon's day is today? What time? Midnight? Any word from the Spurs? Surely they don't plan to guarantee a guy who has barely seen the court.
It's a good question. I'm sure they'd be basing a decision on whether he has made any progress physically in practice. I really don't see any of these fantasy trades happening. If there's enough cap room left for another minimum deal I could even see the Spurs' keeping Qpon until something happens with Parsons or Huestis (HE HIT A JUMPER SATURDAY).
Walker can't play the three, not in the sense folks here actually mean it. They mean classic threes who are now mostly playing the four. Walker can't guard those. He's not even a particularly big two-guard, modern NBA or no. What folks want is essentially an actualized version of Cun. Cov is that. I was a founding member of the Walker club on this board, but unless folks think he's going to truly be an All-Star, trading him should be on the table. With DeRozan and Aldridge aging, it doesn't make sense to wait for a window that may not come. Even if Lonnie becomes Bradley Beal good in three years, trying to go for a le now probably makes more sense. They can worry about their lack of star-power for their 2022 roster when they get to 2022.
Bruh, no wonder you hate on PATFO so much. You think picks have the value of an elite role-player (not even getting into Milutinov here because WTF). Under that assumption, the Spurs should constantly be able to fix their holes each year, and them not getting it done is just incompetence.
From what I can see, Covington is better than Murray and White and is likely to stay that way for the foreseeable future. RC hitting on those guys is obviously nice, but he hasn't exactly been drafting Robert Covingtons lately.
A lot of PFs in the draft for a league that doesn't like PFs any more.
Honestly with how SA is playing I hope they look to acquire another first using Pau. There is no real way to upgrade that I can see unless you somehow land a true all star at SF so since cap space won’t be an issue for year eat a player with a big salary for Pau and get another first and continue what I call the winbuild
A Jumper! Really? Haha.
Yeah, I usually don't get involved in trade talk; it is a completely academic exercise. But I guess I was kind of bored this year and... well, what the .
I was rather intrigued by Q-Pon when they signed him. But he has been invisible. I have no idea what the status of his health is. Perhaps that is why we have barely seen him. If so, perhaps Pop is still holding out some hope that he will fully recover. That would be about the only reason to guarantee him. Parsons is such damaged goods that I can't work up much enthusiasm for him. Maybe Moore? But I expect Pop to bring in some bought-out-vet for playoff insurance. That's the Spurs' way.
Not really. College PFs have been combo-forwards for a while. Almost everyone listed as a four on that list would play the four in the NBA and would have played the three in the olden days. Obviously, some of them would have played those positions poorly and been out of the league. My point is that someone like Hachimura or Clarke would be an NBA four without a ton of trouble.
At this point in the season we are not going to do any major trades but no freaking reason to keep Poindexter he can easily be replaced by Ben Moore who is a much better player in my opinion.
As far as players and trades Pop and RC are going to have to make tough decisions this summer what to do with Gasol, what to do with 3 potential draft picks, do you package Forbes, Or White with Gasol to get a legit SF?
I don't think this is true at all. Most of these players are true PFs. They can't hit threes and won't be shot blockers because of their size. I'd stay away from most of them. Hachimira is good, for example, but right now has no position for his current skill set.
I agree, get extra picks, increase your chances of finding that steal
would probably be better if the pick for Pau is in 2020 though, since Spurs only need SF, SF, SF, and Small forwards, they'd be getting diminishing returns with 3 picks in one draft.
I figure if QPon was going to be waived Moore or Walker would've been called up. Fantasy trade talk is OK, but people tend to talk themselves into thinking the trades they dream up here are just a phone call away. I try to think about what PATFO might actually do. Team performance and apparent harmony lead me to believe they're not going to be looking for big trades and instead will do some shuffling at the end of the roster. Decidedly unsexy for armchair GMs.
It doesn't make sense to get a third first in this draft, especially a late one. Like say Brooklyn gives up the Denver pick to turn Crabbe into Gasol. The Spurs would have 20, 28 and 30. They'd also have essentially a dead roster spot due to Crabbe's contract. That's not a winning play, in my book. Simply waiving Pau and using the MLE feels like a better use of assets.
Of course, you can argue that the Spurs could just move up in the draft using that extra capital, but it's not obvious they could reach whatever target they had with their picks (especially if their natural pick falls closer to 25 like I'd hope). The team might be forced to use all those picks and reaching for poor stashes just to be rid of them. No way would I think so International scrub projected in the 50s is worth having a terrible contract for a year, winbuilding or no.
No idea why you went into the whole fantasy thing. Pondexter is almost immaterial in that. If anything, him sticking around could be a factor in a future trade. Regardless, the only real downside to keeping him is owing his salary. So long as PATFO is willing to eat that loss, it won't affect the team's roster-building at all.
I can see that but I was not thinking it had to be a pick this year. Even if it was I think it’s better than nothing and MLe would be available either way.
But I would not do it for a contract that lasts longer than next season. No question to me that having any extra First is worth the extra 8-9M on the cap for one year unless you think it truly would inhibit SA from using the MLE
i dont think he's referring to fantasy basketball. just fantasy in that it's detached from reality.
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