I get that. It's at least the second time he's said that in this thread. Like we get that this stuff isn't likely to happen. What's the point in saying it again in an unrelated topic?
I think the money and roster spot are worth quite a bit. I also don't think giving up future firsts is something a lot of teams will be keen to do, especially without some other type of value going out. In the league, they'll be protected to the point of being uninteresting.
poor choice of words, I guess.
Trade talk is the fantasy.
My guess is since minute-eating options like Moore and Huestis are readily available and a guy like Parsons who can shoot might be available soon, the Spurs feel no pressure to break up the band to fill an ST need.
I agree there. I don't think PATFO will make moves, and if they do, it'll be a buyout guy. I just don't see the issue with speculating on what it would take to acquire certain players and if that price is worth it. All fan bases do that. It's not a particular sign of ST delusion that we're doing so here.
Trade talk is the fantasy.
My guess is since minute-eating options like Moore and Huestis are readily available and a guy like Parsons who can shoot might be available soon, the Spurs feel no pressure to break up the band to fill an ST need.
No, I've done it myself. It just cracks me up how single minded posters get about blockbuster trades without even discussing the most likely course of action.
Me not ting on the FO on one area somehow gets turned around to me being too hard on PATFO again
I don't think they are picks especially not when it's literally the best thing the PATFO has going for them since '14....
Fathead, Dejounte, White, Lonnie (jury's out) in the last 5 drafts, that's pretty damn good. RoCo is really good but I don'pt think that he's some unattainable bar with a late 1st round pick.
I disagree on your assessment that White is likely to stay worse than RoCo for the foreseeable future, I think he has a chance to be better this season and definitely by next. Granted, I haven't seen Covington play a whole lot this year but that's how high I am on White (I don't even think it's me being a homer since i've been pretty low on Dejounte and Fathead in the past).
Again, Roco is very good but is he worth a combo of what is essentially 3 first round picks? Especially when RC has drafted 3 starters from that spot in the last 4 years? I don't know, that's a tough sell for me.
Picks in the late-20s are picks. Once those picks are used, they could be really good prospects, but when talking about trading them, they're .Me not ting on the FO on one area somehow gets turned around to me being too hard on PATFO again
I don't think they are picks especially not when it's literally the best thing the PATFO has going for them since '14....
Fathead, Dejounte, White, Lonnie (jury's out) in the last 5 drafts, that's pretty damn good. RoCo is really good but I don'pt think that he's some unattainable bar with a late 1st round pick.
I disagree on your assessment that White is likely to stay worse than RoCo for the foreseeable future, I think he has a chance to be better this season and definitely by next. Granted, I haven't seen Covington play a whole lot this year but that's how high I am on White (I don't even think it's me being a homer since i've been pretty low on Dejounte and Fathead in the past).
Again, Roco is very good but is he worth a combo of what is essentially 3 first round picks? Especially when RC has drafted 3 starters from that spot in the last 4 years? I don't know, that's a tough sell for me.
The Spurs aren't getting anything important for the Toronto pick, not unless someone is really dumb. So if you think that's all it would take, you have unrealistic expectations for what PATFO could do.
Covington is worth a whole bunch. He's an elite role-player at the most important position in the NBA, and he's locked up for three years after this one. That lets the team compete now and have the financial flexibility to hold onto guys like Murray, White, Poeltl and maybe Walker later. If the young guys develop into stars, then they will have with them an important role-player. If they don't, well the Spurs at least did all they could to make use of DeRozan and Aldridge's window.
I'd strongly consider trading both picks and Milutinov, because the team would get to keep their prospects while adding a finishing piece. The Wolves would not be unreasonable to ask for Walker and both picks, though that's its own debate on whether that makes sense.
I mean with regards to the money whether it’s 6.7M from Gasol or 15-16M from another player it does not change what tools they have available to add to the team (since no cap space either way). Maybe it means they can’t use the mle due to tax reasons?
From a roster spot perspective it just means no Cunningham or Pon types which is no biggie to me as long as said player is equal or better than that type of player.
http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...1c465556685272
That's a quick mock-up of the Spurs after trading Gasol for Allen Crabbe and Denver's pick. I also removed all the holds except Gay's. The Spurs have 17 of 15 spots secured and only $16-18 Million to sign Gay, their picks, Milutinov and any other free agents. They could potentially get rid of a pick and once again pass on Milutinov to fix the roster issue, but they still end up with a really tight budget and the following roster:
Murray, Mills
White, Forbes, Crabbe
DeRozan, Belinelli, Walker
Gay, Bertans, Metu
Aldridge, Poeltl
And wherever the picks end up going. Assuming they don't draft a SF in the 20s who can come in and play rotation minutes immediately, they manage to still not have any defensive wing (not even the depth they have now), and their guard rotation is even more full. There aren't any minutes open for Walker. Forbes might end up playing no minutes. It's just a mess.
http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...7e09a415315429
It's just much cleaner. 15/15 spots and $30 Million in space to sign guys or look for upgrades.
I get your points, but I can't remember the last player that was the same caliber of player that RoCo was that was traded and what they fetched in return but 3 first rounders seems excessive to me. Obviously, his really good contract is a big factor in the type of return he garners.
All of it will be moot tho since i doubt Minny moves him unless the Spurs either absorb Dieng or find a 3rd team.
Pondexter it is. This season’s Joel Anthony. Then I remember Cunningham is still on the roster and Q-Pon makes him look like Rudy Gay.
I see your point; it’s valid. I’m just saying I think with that 16-18M you can sign Rudy, the picks and an MLE player and that’s a good team.
And being super moneyball (might not be realistic) you could theoretically view it as a way to salary dump a guy while keeping your picks.
So imagine 3 things:
1) you want to be compe ive next season
2) you want to winbuild and love having 2 1st round picks
3) you are looking at 20/21 as the bigger FA opportunity
If you do the Crabbe deal, you now have 3 firsts while still being able to add a little to next years team via the mle & 2 of the picks.
You now have an extra first you can use to offload Mills and get 13M in cap space freed up for 20/21. You’d have Murray/Crabbe to replace Mills with the mle to take a small step forward next seaso
You could do all of that without trading Pau for Crabbe + a 1st but this scenario allows you to keep 2 1sts for the same plan.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...In-Free-Agency
Spurs Interested In Pursuing Kristaps Porzingis In Free Agency
Someone’s going to make a thread about this 2 days later that’ll reach 10 pages and lead to pipe dreams and future disappointment.
I'm not sure how that would work. I can't see the Knicks refusing to match an offer sheet. However, if the spurs see a scenario where NY doesn't match then there's no way we trade for Covington or opj and take on salary.
Porzingis for Mills and Gasol. You heard it hear first.
Davis and Kristaps. SA is Riga South. Do it RC.
I have to be honest this team, really does seem the part. by that i mean they are really clicking & seem genuinely enjoy playing together. You dont often see teams have all the players, actually playing for each other, what makes it impressive to me is most if not all the players on the roster have something to prove. When that happens teams generally will over achieve and for this years team that is not a bad thing, i just want to enjoy the ride and see where the chips fall..
Kurucs is the next
I like that take. With the Spurs not having cap space to sign significant pieces I definitely think taking on a bad contract of a wing player who would still give you useful rotation minutes is the way to go. Crabbe would also be an expiring next season with Belinelli, Bertans and Forbes. Crabbe, Beli + 1st round pick doesn't sound like a bad package
De'Andre Hunter 8-12 to lead UVA with 21 points against #7 VT. Stock is rising. Might be unobtainable now, tbh.
Also, Sekou's stock is falling hard. Having a bad year. Maybe we can get both, tbh.
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