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White played garbage time, there was no game plan.
On the other hand Murray played the good minutes to pad his stats along LMA and company.
From what you saw last year from white, would you have said he was the better defender?
White played garbage time, there was no game plan.
On the other hand Murray played the good minutes to pad his stats along LMA and company.
Pad his defensive stats?
Dude asked you who was the better defender.
Last year white was horrible and lost on defense... He clearly is better this year... Murray also would have improved in that area, not to mention in this era of small ball and big men being pulled out to the three point line, having his elite rebounding skills at PG is a valuable asset for our defense... This year he also has DDR running the break with him as opposed to patty mills last year...
No. I couldn't evaluate White last year. Knew very little of him and didnt pay attention his G league play other than a few highlight reels.
I do feel Derrick is head and shoulders above Murray overall this year. And is having a better defensive season than Murray did last year. It's hard to quantify defensive rebounds as defense for me but defending the perimeter-wise, I believe Derrick is much better. A large part is because of his high bball iq.
Starting Bertans instead of Gay is also better for continuity because Gay can't seem to stay healthy. It leaves the team with a rebounding disadvantage at the forward positions, but that unit needs an off-ball player and a real marksman. Having all of Mills/Forbes/Beli/Bertans coming off the bench seems like a bit of overkill in that direction.
Derrick White just got brought up during the Pacers/Knicks game on ESPN. Only a matter of time until everyone knows who this kid is.
I dont see Walker getting called up and getting major minutes anytime soon he still has a way to go. If we were loosing and tanking then yeah bring him up full time but we’re not and he has no chemistry with the team and like I said he has a lot to improve on.
It it will even get more interesting next year as we bring back Murray and potential 2 first and one 2 draft picks.
Not sure if it’s been posted, yet. . .from the recent ESPN writeup:
“ o, Derrick White!
I come prostrate before the altar of Pop. Six weeks ago, I chastised San Antonio's shot selection. I did not think it was possible to construct an elite offense while ranking dead last in shots at the rim and 3s -- and 20th or worse in both free throw and offensive rebounding rates. In my defense, it should not be.
But it be. It very much be. The Spurs are up to fifth in points per possession after a scorching 14-4 run that culminated in Thursday's 154-point avalanche against the Thunder. Their shot selection in that stretch has barely budged. They are just making everything, moving the ball without turning it over, and flying around on defense. It has been wonderful to watch. Again, I'm sorry, Pop. (I still think their offense will slip back over the coming road-heavy stretch, but I know better now than to predict a huge drop-off. The Spurs are solid.)
The happiest revelation: Derrick White. It is a fun sensation watching someone over extended minutes for the first time, and understanding immediately, "OK, this dude knows how to play."
White just feels the game. He is a cat burglar sidling into open spaces when the defense is focused on DeMar DeRozan or LaMarcus Aldridge. He has already mastered the Manu Ginobili thing of running into the catch:”
SOURCE: Z. Lowe - “Ten Things. . .” - ESPN - 1/11/19
Last edited by Carlos Signs; 01-12-2019 at 12:37 AM.
Media recognition will only help him. He should also be in the Most Improved player conversation.
Let Walker grow this year in austin and up with the big team here and there. Then next year being him up full time
1st team
PG- Murray
SG- DeRozan
SF- Gay
PF- Bertans
C- Aldridge
2nd team
PG- white
SG- Walker
SF- Bellineli
PF- Metu
C- Peotel
Forbes
Mills
Eubanks
Then obviously changes with trades, draft, and free agency.
He's now a 76
If Murray is back healthy, there is zero chance he comes off the bench and he will be our starting PG. For one, PAFTO believes he can be a star and two, Murray won’t accept that role and nor should he. Murray was damn good last year and if the midrange game he showed in preseason translated to the season, look out. The guy is a stud and 2 years younger.
No way. D White is way better on offense and maybe 1 level below on defense. DJ should be a 6th man. I don't see him as a starter, never have.
And if he doesn't want to accept the role he can gtfo.
I’d be careful how they lowball Murray. And FO should’ve learned from Kiwi experience, albeit Kiwi has a greedy dumb uncle. Greedy is sometimes is okay as long as they know what they’re foing ans Spurs FO could understand and deal properly with the concerns but Kiwi’s advisers were just numbskulls idiots. Anyways, I hope they bring Murray back good with the understanding that he would get paid if his development continues.
Murray is still signed for next year. I dont think he has much leverage for a big extension this offseason. If he was always in the plans then we can get fair/good value. He would probably want to play out next season and be a RFA probably? It will be interesting to see if he demands a large extension this offseason.
I think that would be fair and wise. Just that Uncle Dennis experience came unexpected. I don’t know how many players are just so misrepresented and ill-adviced.
I don't think that that would be an issue because he seems to have a legitimately good relationship with Pop but teams attempting to lower a player's value prior to free agency (restricted free agency) has been done or at least attempted. It was reportedly the reason why Butler has such a poor relationship with the Bulls.
He is eligible for an extension prior to the start of next season so for all we know PATFO may offer and him and Rich Paul may except a deal.
Noice hope he gets to 80He's now a 76
If White can keep developing a consistent three ball, I think you can start them together and then stagger minutes a bit depending on the opponent. They both have enough size in the current NBA to compensate from DDR playing at the 3. Gay or Bertans can come off the bench as a sixth man.
I see the rotation playing out this way assuming no other additions:
34 DDR
30 Aldridge (remember he’s getting older and need to keep tread on the tires)
28 Murray
28 White (so ~8 overlapping minutes and ~40 non-shared)
24 Bertans
24 Gay
20 Forbes or Mills (both won’t be back)
18 Poeltl (would also need a backup third big who plays against some teams as Gasol will be gone)
16 White
16 Belinelli
6 other
This would mean Gay and Bertans are always playing the 4, and DDR/Marco are manning the 3. Not ideal against bigger teams. But let’s see how Metu develops and if he can eat some minutes.
This also assumes zero in return for Mills (or Forbes) & Gasol in trades, and two draft picks plus the MLE. Barring any substantial drop off from DDR, Aldridge and Gay, this is a very solid rotation next year as the rest of the players wshould see some organic improvement.
wtf, you only want to play White 16 minutes a game?
Edit : It seems you listed White twice. I assume you meant Walker the second time?
What do you mean by shared and non-shared?
White could be the best pure point in Spurs history
Yes we know he's just gotten back from injury but how do we really know he "still has a way to go"? I'm not sure what the plan is for keeping Eubanks on the bench. Especially now that Pau is back they should send him back and roll with Lonnie. Let him prove himself.
Also on White, Murray is screwed if he want's to be a starter next year.
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