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A world-renowned pro-vaccine medical expert is the newest voice adding to the body of evidence suggesting that vaccines can cause autism in certain susceptible children.
Pediatric neurologist Dr. Andrew Zimmerman originally served as the expert medical witness for the government, which defends vaccines in federal vaccine court. He had testified that vaccines do not cause autism in specific patients.
Dr. Zimmerman now has signed a bombs sworn affidavit. He says that, during a group of 5,000 vaccine-autism cases being heard in court on June 15, 2007, he took aside the Department of Justice (DOJ) lawyers he worked for defending vaccines and told them he’d discovered “exceptions in which vaccinations could cause autism.”
“I explained that in a subset of children, vaccine-induced fever and immune stimulation did cause regressive brain disease with features of autism spectrum disorder,” Dr. Zimmerman now states. He said his opinion was based on “scientific advances” as well as his own experience with patients.
For the government and vaccine industry’s own pro-vaccine expert to have this scientific opinion stood to change everything about the vaccine-autism debate — if people were to find out.
But they didn’t.
Dr. Zimmerman goes on to say that once the DOJ lawyers learned of his position, they quickly fired him as an expert witness and kept his opinion secret from other parents and the rest of the public.
What’s worse, he says the DOJ went on to misrepresent his opinion in federal vaccine court to continue to debunk vaccine-autism claims.
Records show that on June 18, 2007, a DOJ attorney to whom Dr. Zimmerman spoke told the vaccine court: “We know [Dr. Zimmerman’s] views on the issue. ... There is no scientific basis for a connection” between vaccines and autism.
Dr. Zimmerman now calls that “highly misleading” and says he’d told them the opposite.
Vaccine safety advocate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., of Children’s Health Defense, describes the DOJ attorneys’ alleged cover-up and misrepresentations as “one of the most consequential frauds, arguably in human history.” He has filed a fraud complaint with the DOJ inspector general against the DOJ attorneys involved. (The inspector general’s office said it cannot comment on investigations or potential investigations.)
As a backdrop, it helps to understand how vaccine injury claims are handled in the United States.
Congress created the special vaccine court in 1988, in consultation with the pharmaceutical industry. In this special court, hearings are private and vaccine makers don’t defend their products — the federal government does it for them, using DOJ lawyers. Money for victims comes from us, not from the pharmaceutical industry, through patient fees added to every vaccine given.
Rolf Hazlehurst is the parent of one autistic child whom Dr. Zimmerman states got autism from vaccination. A criminal prosecutor, Hazlehurst told congressional staffers at a briefing in 2013 that “if I did to a criminal in a court of law what the United States Department of Justice did to vaccine-injured children, I would be disbarred and I would be facing criminal charges. I think that scared the out of them.” An upcoming House Oversight hearing on the topic was abruptly cancelled.
Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion mirrors that of another pro-vaccine medical expert — the late Dr. Bernadine Healy, former director of the National Ins utes of Health. And it lines up with what the head of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) Immunization Safety, Dr. Frank DeStefano, told me in 2014. When asked about vaccines triggering autism in certain susceptible children, DeStefano acknowledged it as possible.
“I guess that, that is a possibility,” said DeStefano. “It’s hard to predict who those children might be, but certainly, individual cases can be studied to look at those possibilities.”
No known studies have been attempted. However, vaccine court cases show that some children whose autism was triggered by vaccine had unknown pre-existing susceptibilities including Tuberous Scleroris (TS) and mitochondrial disorder. The U.S. vaccine court has paid $4 billion to date, including for injuries in which children ended up with autism but when the plaintiff’s alleged the brain injury using the term “encephalopathy” rather than “autism.”
When asked, the DOJ, the CDC and the pharmaceutical lobby group PhRMA had no comment about Dr. Zimmerman’s affidavit. The primary attorney named in Dr. Zimmerman’s affidavit as having misrepresenting his opinion no longer works for the Justice Department, and did not answer repeated requests for comment for a recent “Full Measure” program on the controversy.
The CDC website currently makes no mention of Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion, his published findings or similar studies, or numerous cases in which the government has paid damages in vaccine court to children who — according to the vaccine court and medical experts — got autism as a result of their vaccine injuries. The CDC states unequivocally that “vaccines do not cause autism.”
Scientists say it’s entirely possible to identify conditions most likely to make children susceptible to vaccine injury and to devise a safer vaccination policy to protect them, while continuing a robust vaccine program for the rest.
For the sake of children, Congress should re-examine both sides of the medical science in this case.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...link-to-autism
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If they haven't been scrubbed from record by the DOJ and CDCYou can find turds anywhere.
from his affidavit:
"There is no scientific basis for a connection between measles, mumps and ruella (MMR) vaccien or mercury (Hg) intoxication and autism. Despite well-intentioneed and thoughtful hypotheses and widespread beliefs about apparent connections with autism and regression, there is no sound evidence to support a causative relationship with exposure to both, or either, MMR and/or Hg."
he later says
"I explained that I was of the opinion that there were exceptions in which vaccinations could cause autism.
More specifically, I explained that in a subset of children with an underlying mitochondrial dysfunction, vaccine induced fever and immune stimulation that exceeded metabolic energy reserves could, and in at least one of my patients, did cause regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder."
I dont know why the author chopped up that last sentence to exclude the bold portions to say that "in a subset of children, vaccine-induced fever and immune stimulation did cause regressive brain disease with features of autism spectrum disorder"
those have different meanings.
oh wait, just looked up the author of the opinion piece. that cleared things up
not to mention Zimmerman already testified to this exact issue at a deposition more than 2 years ago, talking about how vaccines, fevers, bacterial/viral infections can lead to autism for children with underlying mitochondrial dysfunction. he even discusses how he was asked not to testify back in 2007 or whenever that was
Last edited by spurraider21; 01-15-2019 at 10:05 PM.
ICYMI:
"Records show that on June 18, 2007, a DOJ attorney to whom Dr. Zimmerman spoke told the vaccine court: “We know [Dr. Zimmerman’s] views on the issue. ... There is no scientific basis for a connection” between vaccines and autism.
Dr. Zimmerman now calls that “highly misleading” and says he’d told them the opposite.
Vaccine safety advocate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., of Children’s Health Defense, describes the DOJ attorneys’ alleged cover-up and misrepresentations as “one of the most consequential frauds, arguably in human history.” He has filed a fraud complaint with the DOJ inspector general against the DOJ attorneys involved."
here's his full transcript from that deposition
https://bolenreport.com/wp-content/u...Deposition.pdf
i'm much more interested in direct quotes from the subject than what thoughts some opinion contributor cobbled together.
Now we know what happened to Kawhi.
ICYMI:
Dr. Zimmerman goes on to say that once the DOJ lawyers learned of his position, they quickly fired him as an expert witness and kept his opinion secret from other parents and the rest of the public.
so if there are children with a pre-existing mitochondrial dysfunction, then they are predisposed to regressive autism, which can be triggered by a particular inflammatory response. that can come in the form of fever, bacterial/viral infection, or certain vaccinations (as vaccines are designed to work exactly that way, causing an inflammatory response). again, that being zimmerman's opinion, and not something that's been peer reviewed or published or anything of the short. but even then, its hardly "damning evidence against vaccines" or anything of the sort.
at his deposition, from the bottom of page 99:
Q: As I understand it, kids with a mitochondrial dysfunction are at risk for regressive autism?
A: Yes.
Q. And the -- there can be some type of triggering inflammatory response that can cause or lead to the regressive autism?
A. Correct
Q. And those -- that science is accepted by the people in your field?
A. Right. People who work in the field of autism see, commonly see a relationship between infections, inflammation and onset of regression.
Q. And vaccines can cause the type of inflammatory response, in fact they're designed to -- to cause the type of inflammatory response that can lead to or trigger a regressive autism?
A. They're designed to lead to an immune response and that may compound the immune response from an infection.
Q. So in other words, kids who -- who have this underlying mitochondrial disorder who are -- have an ongoing infection are at an even higher risk of an injury from the vaccine?
A. When combined, yes.
Q. And as I understand it, sort of the key period or where a child's brain is more at risk for these types of, or is more susceptible to these types of risk is somewhere around a year to 18 months?
A. Or 24 moths, in that area.
Chris can't possibly be this stupid can he?
yes chrisbot, that is also covered in his deposition. this isn't some recently unearthed bombs .
on page 49 of the deposition:
"I should add that at the very same time that report, I drafted that report, we were publishing the Poling case. And the reason I believe that I was not called to testify in the Cedillo case was that I told them I think there are rare exceptions, like Poling, and therefore I was not asked to testify."
again, when available, primary sources >>
why would you cloud his words by having them translated through a middleman with a clear agenda on the issue? by purposely choosing that option, you're giving that writer a green light to insult your intelligence. they think you're too stupid to understand his 3 page affidavit so they dumb it down and explain it for you.
if you dont want to read the full deposition, you can at least just read his affidavit, which is only a few pages long. instead you're relying on an inaccurate third party source. i already showed exactly where she altered his quotes without giving any indication that she stripped out half the sentence
Last edited by spurraider21; 01-15-2019 at 10:34 PM.
publicly available information for over 2 years, recycled yet another time and called a BOMBS
hardly "damning evidence against vaccines"
*roll eyes emoji
triggered21 resorts to name-calling.
Plus, science isn't dogma. If Dr Zimmerman has testable evidence that vaccines cause autism, he can write the paper, present the tests, they'll be reproduced and he'll get the credit if true. The problem is, there's no such reproducible test so far, thus no actual evidence.
If you can't prove causality, then there's really no nexus.
I can't find any other story linking to Zimmerman's affidavit besides this one published on the 6th of this month:
http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-s...ination-debate
I'm not seeing any recycling here, only fake news from you.But now Dr. Zimmerman has provided remarkable new information.
Dr. Zimmerman declined our interview request and referred us to his sworn affidavit.
oh well, if you cannot find it then it must not exist
Especially when i provided the deposition transcript
Show me the older links/news stories.
Show me the "recycling".Especially when i provided the deposition transcript
Your OP
lol another Chrisis to get worked up about
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