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White is definitely better than last year's Murray. We just don't know how good this year's Murray would have been. Sucks that this is the case.
Sure thing, troll.
White is definitely better than last year's Murray. We just don't know how good this year's Murray would have been. Sucks that this is the case.
Murray's per 36 numbers are actually starting caliber tbh. If he improves enough to put them up in 28-30 minutes he'll be very serviceable. The one advantage that White got over him is his chemistry with LaMarcus. I think that could really get him the starting job. Or they both start together.
If Walker & Murray pan out watch out.
I think they both start, Murray, White, DeMar, Rudy, LA are the starters and
i think walker can be that explosive 6th man
That would make the bench Mills, Forbes, Beli, Bertans and Poeltl. That's isn't exactly ideal.
I think Forbes continues to start with White playing a big role off the bench (something like 27 mpg) and apart of closing lineups that are identical to the one you mention.
Think Murray continues to start with White playing 6th man level minutes next season and closing games together.
Don't know how impactful either will be next season with Walker likely only beginning to get NBA minutes and Murray working his way back from a serious injury (the first year back is usually not nearly as productive as the second year).
Important that the Spurs nab a wing prospect in this draft for the long term because I think Golden State may be on it's last legs if KD leaves, Draymond continues to deteriorate and they continue to botch their picks with out finding replacement's for Iggy and Livingston.
walker isn't close imo
murray/white should be starters and hopefully walker is able to be a 6th man type
a lot of posters were saying he sucked at beginning of season much less when he was drafted.
But it’s OK to be wrong it’s not like any of us are NBA experts I hated on Forbes hard but he has proven he is a NBA player. Though I wish he could take Mills place and just be used as a spark plug aka instant offense when needed.
The BIG quesion though is will PATFO persue a 3 & D wing in the off season either through FA, trade or the draft as a starter for next season? If this happens, then what will happen to DW4 next season? Come off the bench then? If so, then we will definitely have a solid 2nd unit! But another question will be: Will Forbes or Beli still be there? I'm sure Fifty Mills will be there. GSG!!!
It's more interesting that the Mavies have already given up on Dennis Smith JR in his second year - making him available for trade. A point guard - 9th pick in the 2017 draft. When was White taken in the same draft - 28th?
I find it amazing that they still would like to trade Smith, Jr, especially since that JJ Barea went down with that Achilles tear recently... Hmm.... are they that stacked with talented PG's to go ahead & trade him or is Cuban puro loco?
Walker isnt close?
What are your expectations?
He could help right now in a simplified offensive 3&D role, while defending 1-3 positions.
If youre expecting him to be another DeMar on offense, then yeah hes not close to that.
Context is everything.
he's shooting 31% from deep in the g-league after shooting about 34.5% with the shorter college 3pt line. looks aren't going to get any easier in the big leagues. and there isn't much evidence that he's a plus defender right now. so to say he's ready for a 3&D role in the NBA makes no sense tbh. from the gleague games i've seen, his halfcourt game seems to be limited to pull-up 2 point jump shots off the dribble.
3&d would probably be the worst use for lonnie given his athletic ability. at this point he needs to work on his handles and learn to get to and finish at the rim consistently.
DSJ's issues aren't court related. He's being a little , because Luka is more of a franchise player, and he can't handle being the #2 guy.
Smith is being a little about Luka. He's (apparently) causing enough problems that they've shut him down to explore trades.
If Dejounte can handle an off ball role last season, Lonnie can.
Lonnie is ahead of where Dejounte was on offense.
If he were with another franchise that had a role open, he would be able to fill it. Especially when you look around and see other rookies with less talent contributing.
And in Austin, his responsibilities widen substantially -- which can make him look worse or less efficient than he would be in a defined and simplified role.
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I can not remember one person who sucked in G League being called up and being successful in the NBA? Don’t get me wrong still like him but it’s going to take longer to develop much longer then White.
Sorry you can't see context in situations. Just keep looking at stats.
I.E In Dejountes rookie season, he actually played well in a simplified role and was efficient with his opportunities. Had great games. Then the following summer, when asked to be the bell cow, he was terrible when he was asked to be the guy. So bad that Spurs didnt want it to derail his confidence, so they sat him the remainder of SL
You have to understand the context of the different situations to see it.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 01-16-2019 at 06:04 PM.
i mean if you say so
Thanks for the insight, Extatic! For a moment there I thought that Crazy Cuban was up to his ol' self again. This guy doesn't waste time getting rid of someone who may cause problems for the Mavs! So, Jr. wants the spot light, eh? Well, it sounds like he may have to have his own show somewhere else then,cause it looks like Luka is Legend in Big D. Hope it doesn't come back to haunt them tho.
I generally agree, Walker could be fine in a limited role
Cunningham and Pondexter have limited roles and they aren't even doing those particularly well
Walker can get some use out of he g-league, but he isn't going to learn to play a role next to stars in the g-league. There's too much temptation to just go get his every time. Look at White: he had a terrible time adjusting to being the point guard. In the g-league, he got everything. But with SA he had to adjust to not having the ball or every look.
White had such a green light in the g-league that he had a game where he was 5-15 from three. Only one player in Spurs history has ever attempted that many, and was Jaren Jackson in like 2000. A game of an unchallenged White just chucking non stop was probably not more useful than a real NBA game having a SG demand to bring the ball up half the possessions, a Gay decide he's point guard after a rebound, a Mills asking to bring it up, and Aldridge ready to pout because the other guys aren't getting it to him.
A limited role of cutting and spotting up with veterans telling him where to go and what to do might be better for him than just running around like a chicken in the g-league waiting to do his 1-on-1 hero pull ups.
Kawhi's offense was trash as a rookie compared to now. He just scored in transition and cuts and hanging out in the corners, assisted in 97.6% of his three point makes, and shot like garbage from 3 feet on out to the three point line. Wasn't a go to scorer, no mid-range, no post, no passing, no dribbling, just dunks, layups and threes. He didn't have to go go the g-league to improve his offense or fill a limited role. It should be obvious that Walker isn't the defender Kawhi was as a rookie, and I don't think he could fulfill a rookie Kawhi role of first year starter. But I think he could do okay as a hustle player who can score decently when set up by others instead of crossover pull-ups against g-league scrubs.
Bump..
Sop re White is clearly superior to sop re Murray..
Derrick versatility and BB IQ is so off the charts..He could be the closest thing this team will have to another Manu Ginobili.
For the sake of comparison, Murray being 2 years younger is basically the only thing going for him here..I just hope that ACL injury doesn't nullify this advantage...
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