Kyle Anderson..

[Dverde]

According to his metrics, he's still a net positive player all across the board, tbh.

If only the Grizz could clone fathead four times, they would be unstoppable in net positive.

[benefactor]

His whole shooting fell off a cliff this season... 26 3P%, 57(!) FT%...

Where is your god now?

[TheGreatYacht]

2018 Spurs:
1st in opp points allowed
27th in points scored
26th in 3p%

2019 Grizzlies:
4th in opp points allowed
30th in points scored
22nd in 3p%

Common denominator is Fathead was a starter and played 30 minutes a night for both teams Bottom line here is he's a god awful offensive player that was born 15 years too late. You need points, fast tempo, and 3pt shooting in today's league and Vending Machine head is the opposite of that. You just can't win with a player like that getting a ton of minutes. His defender will always leave him to go help someone else.

Also, Advanced metrics

[DAF86]

2018 Spurs:
1st in opp points allowed
27th in points scored
26th in 3p%

2019 Grizzlies:
4th in opp points allowed
30th in points scored
22nd in 3p%

Common denominator is Fathead was a starter and played 30 minutes a night for both teams Bottom line here is he's a god awful offensive player that was born 15 years too late. You need points, fast tempo, and 3pt shooting in today's league and Vending Machine head is the opposite of that. You just can't win with a player like that getting a ton of minutes. His defender will always leave him to go help someone else.

Also, Advanced metrics

Without even checking I can tell those stats are bull , tbh. The Spurs were an elite defensive team last season.

[HarlemHeat37]

Without even checking I can tell those stats are bull , tbh. The Spurs were an elite defensive team last season.

The Grizzlies are also a top 10 defense despite most of their players quitting..they actually jumped 16 spots from last year

Advanced metrics have always rated Kyle has a poor offensive player, it's nothing we didn't already know..he's still a very good defender according to any method of evaluation this season, though..he isn't Jonathon Simmons

[DAF86]

The Grizzlies are also a top 10 defense despite most of their players quitting

Advanced metrics have also rated Kyle has a poor offensive player, it's nothing we didn't already know..he's still a very good defender according to any method of evaluation..he isn't Jonathon Simmons

Now that I look at it, the stats are OK. It threw me off that TheGreatYacht would post a positive stat like opp pts allowed. He probably thought that being 1st and 4th there meant that the opponents scored a lot, tbh.

[DAF86]

Metrics say that Anderson is a below average offensive player and an elite defensive one, that's why overall he rates as a net positive. I don't know why so many folks on those metrics, it is exactly what can be tell by the eye test.

[Dverde]

^ Hard to do the eye test with Anderson with that glare coming off his forehead.

[Chinook]

My assumption is that TGY's greater point is that Anderson was the reason why the Spurs were a low-ceiling, high-floor team last year and that he's done the same to Memphis. Like sure, the team is an elite D, but they're such a terrible offensive team that their D can't take them anywhere. Had he stayed with the Spurs, TGY is arguing that the Spurs would be the same way. Anderson's unwillingness to shoot damages the offense way more than anything he does to help it, and his great defense isn't enough to overcome that. Stats might have him as a net-positive individual player, but his actual effect on the team is negative.

That's just my assumption of his point. In reality, I think Anderson's shooting is a crippling issue for his value, but I also think it's something that can be worked around with a team better than Memphis. There are teams like Portland and GS where I think he'd make an elite impact as essentially a more useful Evan Turner. There were permutations of the Spurs where Kyle could have been that too, but trading for DeRozan and keeping Murray made it difficult. I also think that Memphis is struggling much more without him than they were with him.

[spurraider21]

My assumption is that TGY's greater point is that Anderson was the reason why the Spurs were a low-ceiling, high-floor team last year and that he's done the same to Memphis. Like sure, the team is an elite D, but they're such a terrible offensive team that their D can't take them anywhere. Had he stayed with the Spurs, TGY is arguing that the Spurs would be the same way. Anderson's unwillingness to shoot damages the offense way more than anything he does to help it, and his great defense isn't enough to overcome that. Stats might have him as a net-positive individual player, but his actual effect on the team is negative.

That's just my assumption of his point. In reality, I think Anderson's shooting is a crippling issue for his value, but I also think it's something that can be worked around with a team better than Memphis. There are teams like Portland and GS where I think he'd make an elite impact as essentially a more useful Evan Turner. There were permutations of the Spurs where Kyle could have been that too, but trading for DeRozan and keeping Murray made it difficult. I also think that Memphis is struggling much more without him than they were with him.

you give tgy way too much credit

[Chinook]

you give tgy way too much credit

Well he's not called TheJustOkayYacht

[DAF86]

My assumption is that TGY's greater point is that Anderson was the reason why the Spurs were a low-ceiling, high-floor team last year and that he's done the same to Memphis. Like sure, the team is an elite D, but they're such a terrible offensive team that their D can't take them anywhere. Had he stayed with the Spurs, TGY is arguing that the Spurs would be the same way. Anderson's unwillingness to shoot damages the offense way more than anything he does to help it, and his great defense isn't enough to overcome that. Stats might have him as a net-positive individual player, but his actual effect on the team is negative.

That's just my assumption of his point. In reality, I think Anderson's shooting is a crippling issue for his value, but I also think it's something that can be worked around with a team better than Memphis. There are teams like Portland and GS where I think he'd make an elite impact as essentially a more useful Evan Turner. There were permutations of the Spurs where Kyle could have been that too, but trading for DeRozan and keeping Murray made it difficult. I also think that Memphis is struggling much more without him than they were with him.

I think Anderson would be a great fit alongside the 3pt squad of Mills, Forbes, Belinelli and Bertans. He could act as the point forward around all those shooters and as the defensive anchor on the other end.

He needs a very specific set of players around him to be effective on offense, that's for sure. that's why it wasn't worth keeping him for the price the Grizzlies paid.

[Brazil]

Now that I look at it, the stats are OK. It threw me off that TheGreatYacht would post a positive stat like opp pts allowed. He probably thought that being 1st and 4th there meant that the opponents scored a lot, tbh.

tbh

[skookumchuck]

Where's SAGirl?

[Chinook]

I think Anderson would be a great fit alongside the 3pt squad of Mills, Forbes, Belinelli and Bertans. He could act as the point forward around all those shooters and as the defensive anchor on the other end.

He needs a very specific set of players around him to be effective on offense, that's for sure. that's why it wasn't worth keeping him for the price the Grizzlies paid.

You'd probably have to take out one of the guards and add in Poeltl, who already sort of does Anderson-like things anyway. I also think Kyle lost his chance to be a point-forward, because you have to be willing to score to really be an effective play-maker. The main difference between Kyle and Boris is that Diaw knew when he had the best shot and would take it while Anderson only shoots when it's the last option most of the time. It's hard to be the leader of a BG-esque attack when you get the wide-open look but then throw fakes and dribble around until the D recovers.

[DAF86]

You'd probably have to take out one of the guards and add in Poeltl, who already sort of does Anderson-like things anyway. I also think Kyle lost his chance to be a point-forward, because you have to be willing to score to really be an effective play-maker. The main difference between Kyle and Boris is that Diaw knew when he had the best shot and would take it while Anderson only shoots when it's the last option most of the time. It's hard to be the leader of a BG-esque attack when you get the wide-open look but then throw fakes and dribble around until the D recovers.

Anderson played plenty of Point Forward last season in crunch time for the Spurs and he did a very good job, imho. The way I look it it would be like a poor bench version of what Milwaukee does with Giannis: sorrounding your non-shooting forward with 4 shooters. Of course, Anderson doesn't have nearly close to the talent Giannis has, but the showed on the G-League and last season that he can playmake a bit.

[TheGreatYacht]

Now that I look at it, the stats are OK. It threw me off that TheGreatYacht would post a positive stat like opp pts allowed. He probably thought that being 1st and 4th there meant that the opponents scored a lot, tbh.

No, it was you that read it wrong. Look at bballref, Spurs were 1st in pts allowed last season meaning they were the best defensive team in the league. You should know when I post it's a fact son

[Chinook]

Anderson played plenty of Point Forward last season in crunch time for the Spurs and he did a very good job, imho. The way I look it it would be like a poor bench version of what Milwaukee does with Giannis: sorrounding your non-shooting forward with 4 shooters. Of course, Anderson doesn't have nearly close to the talent Giannis has, but the showed on the G-League and last season that he can playmake a bit.

Anderson had his moments where he was aggressive offensively, and when he did that, his passing picked up. But saying that he "can" be a point-forward is like saying he "can" be a third-option level scorer. He can do both of those things. Nothing's stopping him skill-wise. He can shoot anywhere inside the arc. He can finish at the rim and has a variety of moves to get space in iso situations. But he just won't for reasons two coaches now can't figure out.

[TheGreatYacht]

My assumption is that TGY's greater point is that Anderson was the reason why the Spurs were a low-ceiling, high-floor team last year and that he's done the same to Memphis. Like sure, the team is an elite D, but they're such a terrible offensive team that their D can't take them anywhere. Had he stayed with the Spurs, TGY is arguing that the Spurs would be the same way. Anderson's unwillingness to shoot damages the offense way more than anything he does to help it, and his great defense isn't enough to overcome that. Stats might have him as a net-positive individual player, but his actual effect on the team is negative..

Finally someone that read the stats I posted correctly. If Fathead is a starter and eating 30 minutes a night for your team, you'll never win . The 18' Spurs and 19' Grizzlies are almost identical and it's not a coincidence. Yes, the defense will be elite but you will also get a terrible to swallow offense. Just by dumping Fathead, the Spurs went from ranking 26th to now 1st in 3p%.

"Advanced stats" say he's a positive, but those that know what they're talking about know he's not.

[Rocalcio]

Just give him a break tbh...

[TheGreatYacht]

wojbomb "For first time, Memphis will begin listening to trade offers on franchise stars Marc Gasol and Mike Conley, league sources tell ESPN. Memphis has reached a crossroads and is preparing to weigh deals involving one or both of its cornerstone veterans. Story soon on ESPN."

Fathead blows up teams when he's a starter and plays 30 minutes a night. You hate to see it His fluffers couldn't look any dumber if they tried. Watching the games >>> metrics

[Arcadian]

..sucks

[ElNono]

Can we move this to the WWE forum, tbh, with the rest of the clowns?