NBA Trade Deadline 2019

[MoSpur02]

Tristan Thompson is a very good rebounder. Especially on the offensive side. I haven't watched much Cavs basketball and wondering if he's developed any kind of three point shot? Can he guard stretch 4s?

[DPG21920]

Tristan Thompson is a very good rebounder. Especially on the offensive side. I haven't watched much Cavs basketball and wondering if he's developed any kind of three point shot? Can he guard stretch 4s?

He has zero shot. He’s still good around the rim if spoonfed, but no real offensive game. Still great energy and rebounding.

Defense is still above average overall.

Spurs are 99% operating over the cap it appears for next year. So if that is the case, they will only have the MLE to improve, whether they waive Pau or not. If SA thinks TT is better than Pau, then it makes sense to do the deal and it should be a no brainer for CLE (unless they can get better offers).

SA, should probably get a pick in the deal, but even if they don’t, for reasons above, I can see how a Pau for TT deal makes sense if Pau can’t really net anything else.

[Hoops Czar]

Considering he makes like 32 million a year, we would need to trade a good amount of salary. Which seems pretty unlikely given Conley is on the wrong side of 30, due 65 million over the next two years, and spurs have Murray/White. Why on earth would we even be interested in Conley

Exactly, not to mention their resources are tied into production so you can't just take out two or three rotation players and think the Spurs can make that up with an overpriced, injury prone pg who doesn't even fulfill a need beyond this year. Realistically, DeRozan would have to be part of any deal to make it work and there's just no way Pop would do that even if he had a need at the pg position.

[ace3g]

I know it is just a highlight vid, but having another SF that can guard elite SFs would be greatly needed on this roster. Would help eliminate lineups with Patty and Forbes together.

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs don’t need depth. You don’t give up first round picks for guys that don’t move the needle. Would having more depth be good? Sure, but they don’t need it.

But yeah, if you can give up Pau/Pondexter/Cunningham and maybe like a 2nd round pick to take a flier on someone younger, im fine with that.

Yeah, Me thinks Memphis won't be stupid enough to get Kwame Brown'd twice.

[Chinook]

Cun and Metu for Johnson works salary-wise. I'm interested if folks balk at including Chim, especially if those same folks keep pushing for including the Toronto first in deals. Swapping out Metu for Pon and a second probably also works, but Detroit would probably value a Spurs big more than anything else they could give. It would not surprise me if Pop legit thinks Dante is a better player than Stan though, and wouldn't do that deal.

Something like Pau and the Toronto first for Temple and Green could work. But I don't see any reason to value the savings from Gasol's deal worth the price, and they don't really have anything in the middle to make up the difference. That pick is going to have legit draft value, I think. The team is winning themselves just out of range where a very good prospect HAS to fall to them, so having the mobility to hop up a few spots could make a huge difference in getting their forward of the future. Even if they stay put, it looks like some good players should still be around when they get to the bottom of the first. It's worth way more than role-players and cap savings in a year where the team is likely over the line anyway.

Thompson is okay player if you mean in the context of a guy to compete with Poeltl for minutes behind Aldridge. He's not a well-rounded guy though, and definitely not the mobile defender to fill out the starting unit. I wouldn't consider trading Pau for him a win for SA unless they got value out of the deal on top of Thompson. I really don't see Burks as that value, btb. He makes too much and doesn't really provide something the team is lacking. Either the Cavs have to give up prospects or a pick or they'll have to take back a contract like Mills to give SA financial incentive to do this deal. I personally would consider something around Thompson and Clarkson for Mills and Gasol, since it's salary-neutral and gives the Spurs extra money when they might really need it. But it's probably not what the Cavs are looking for.

[DAF86]

9 good rotation players is pretty damn good tbh. There is always a risk of injury but this team's depth is the reason why they are 19-7 over their last 26 games.

Walker, Murray, and White went down and Forbes stepped up. Then White came back and proved that he's and NBA player. Poeltl was a 3rd string center but played well when Gasol went down and is now the back up five. I don't know how many playoff teams can say they have 9 quality NBA players in their rotation.

It would be nice to add a player like Carrol for Gasol but I wouldn't do any of the other trades that have been posted here.

9 good rotation players isn't good when the injury of just one of those 9 players sends you on a losing streak.

[DPG21920]

Cun and Metu for Johnson works salary-wise. I'm interested if folks balk at including Chim, especially if those same folks keep pushing for including the Toronto first in deals. Swapping out Metu for Pon and a second probably also works, but Detroit would probably value a Spurs big more than anything else they could give. It would not surprise me if Pop legit thinks Dante is a better player than Stan though, and wouldn't do that deal.

Something like Pau and the Toronto first for Temple and Green could work. But I don't see any reason to value the savings from Gasol's deal worth the price, and they don't really have anything in the middle to make up the difference. That pick is going to have legit draft value, I think. The team is winning themselves just out of range where a very good prospect HAS to fall to them, so having the mobility to hop up a few spots could make a huge difference in getting their forward of the future. Even if they stay put, it looks like some good players should still be around when they get to the bottom of the first. It's worth way more than role-players and cap savings in a year where the team is likely over the line anyway.

Thompson is okay player if you mean in the context of a guy to compete with Poeltl for minutes behind Aldridge. He's not a well-rounded guy though, and definitely not the mobile defender to fill out the starting unit. I wouldn't consider trading Pau for him a win for SA unless they got value out of the deal on top of Thompson. I really don't see Burks as that value, btb. He makes too much and doesn't really provide something the team is lacking. Either the Cavs have to give up prospects or a pick or they'll have to take back a contract like Mills to give SA financial incentive to do this deal. I personally would consider something around Thompson and Clarkson for Mills and Gasol, since it's salary-neutral and gives the Spurs extra money when they might really need it. But it's probably not what the Cavs are looking for.

I think getting TT would be a win for Pau even without other compensation. I dont think it would be optimal, but still a win. TT is better than Pau (IMO) and his one year deal doesn’t functionally do anything to harm the Spurs. Spurs may not have room to improve much next season and I’d rather have TT + the MLE rather than Pau + the MLE (or no Pau + the MLE).

I think he could get minutes and would be a big improvement of Cunningham/Pondexter and probably Poeltl (at least for one season as Poeltl continues to develop).

But I agree SA * should * get compensation likely in the form of draft picks. It would save CLE so much money.

If I am SA the only way I am including any picks:

1) If you want to be a FA player and you can dump Mills/Pau and it takes a pick.

2) If you can swap Cunningham/Pon for a flier on a younger talent then it’s worth a 2nd rounder IMO. It’s not a necessary trade but it’s one I think is smart if they like a prospect with nba tape already.

3) If you can land an all-star and really go for it around LMA/DeRozan (least likely situation by far).

[DPG21920]

Yeah, Me thinks Memphis won't be stupid enough to get Kwame Brown'd twice.

Was not talking about Marc but speaking on MEM/Marc, I really don’t know how much more they might be able to get for Marc with his contract situation.

It may turn out that an expiring contract + first round pick(s) is the best offer they get.

They look like they will be losing him for nothing next season in free agency anyways. His value will be driven down because of that.

[Hoops Czar]

With how the team is playing, other than adding an all-star which is next to impossible I don’t even know what they need that could actually help? They don’t need anymore depth.

Im all for trading away Mills/Pau for salary reasons and gaining flexibility but I don’t know of anyone I can think of that would crack the rotation honestly.

No, thety need lots of depth. They just don't have the assets/resources needed to bring in such depth.

[Hoops Czar]

Was not talking about Marc but speaking on MEM/Marc, I really don’t know how much more they might be able to get for Marc with his contract situation.

It may turn out that an expiring contract + first round pick(s) is the best offer they get.

They look like they will be losing him for nothing next season in free agency anyways. His value will be driven down because of that.

My best guess would be both are on the Grizzlies at seasons end.

[Chinook]

Really wish folks stopped acting like Leonard is the same as James, Durant or Giannis. All of those guys have legit PF size (as in, they could have played the position two decades ago). Leonard wouldn't be out of place playing the two. That's not a statement on his skill-set, but he doesn't present the same defensive challenge the others do, because almost every team has a guy who can physically match up with him. Leonard isn't that hard to guard so long as you accept you're not going to shut him down. You take away easy looks, avoid fouling and cover up the passing lanes, and you'll be fine. Leonard is one of the best scorers in the NBA. but you can do enough to make it to where his team doesn't score enough to beat a good offense on the other end.

All this is to say that Johnson guarding Leonard well means nothing to me. White guarded him well too. Johnson repeatedly having good defensive games against those other guys would be a much bigger deal. Those are the players where the team has a hole (too big for White, too fast for Gay and too good for DeRozan). If a guy isn't able to fill that niche, then he's just luxury depth. Not worthless, but not really a need.

[DPG21920]

No, thety need lots of depth. They just don't have the assets/resources needed to bring in such depth.

Disagree on both counts. Spurs have great promising youth, expiring deals and multiple first round picks. They have more than enough to get depth. They just don’t need it.

[ace3g]

Thinking of all the awesome/versatile lineups if we added Stanley Johnson.

LMA, Beli, Bertans, DeRozan, Gay, Patty, Poeltl, White, and Johnson would be my 9-man playoff rotation.

[DPG21920]

Really wish folks stopped acting like Leonard is the same as James, Durant or Giannis. All of those guys have legit PF size (as in, they could have played the position two decades ago). Leonard wouldn't be out of place playing the two. That's not a statement on his skill-set, but he doesn't present the same defensive challenge the others do, because almost every team has a guy who can physically match up with him. Leonard isn't that hard to guard so long as you accept you're not going to shut him down. You take away easy looks, avoid fouling and cover up the passing lanes, and you'll be fine. Leonard is one of the best scorers in the NBA. but you can do enough to make it to where his team doesn't score enough to beat a good offense on the other end.

All this is to say that Johnson guarding Leonard well means nothing to me. White guarded him well too. Johnson repeatedly having good defensive games against those other guys would be a much bigger deal. Those are the players where the team has a hole (too big for White, too fast for Gay and too good for DeRozan). If a guy isn't able to fill that niche, then he's just luxury depth. Not worthless, but not really a need.

Exactly (on the overall sentiment - not Kawhi). I mean, if the cost is Cunningham or Pondexter and a 2nd round pick, I’m ok taking fliers on guys younger to see if they actually possess anyupside. But it’s not a priority.

[lmbebo]

Would love to get Johnson ... Think its doable...

Not sure if anyone can chime in on Rondae Hollis Jefferson.

Someone we could target?

[Chinook]

No, thety need lots of depth. They just don't have the assets/resources needed to bring in such depth.

They obviously don't need lots of depth. They have five unambiguously good players in White, DeRozan, Gay, Bertans and Aldridge and others in Mills, Forbes, Beli and Poeltl who are good enough for "depth" on any team. Gasol's in that category too, but he's not playing to that level now and could be left out. There will be playoff teams in the second round in both conferences with worse depth than that, if not in the third round.

And yeah, first-round picks are plenty in the way of assets to bring back depth. Look at any trade for a non-star and tell me those players went for more than expirings and a pick.

There's being pessimistic about the Spurs' talent and there's being unrealistic. Your argument is the latter.

[DAF86]

Spurs don’t need depth. You don’t give up first round picks for guys that don’t move the needle. Would having more depth be good? Sure, but they don’t need it.

But yeah, if you can give up Pau/Pondexter/Cunningham and maybe like a 2nd round pick to take a flier on someone younger, im fine with that.

You don't need to give up a first for depth. Pau alone can get you a depth adding wing.

[Leetonidas]

Pistons desperately need a PG since Jackson has turned out poorly for them. I wouldn't be willing to part with White or Murray for Johnson and they won't take nor will Spurs trade Patty, and Forbes is not a PG. Don't see it happening unless Detroit makes a move for Conley and Spurs get in as a 3rd team

[MoSpur02]

Forbes and Cunningham for Stanley Johnson would be great. Hate to see Fobes go (can't believe I'm saying that) because he's developing and may still improve some more, but we have a huge need at the SF position. Especially a defensive specialist. I wouldn't want to trade Metu because he's still raw and I see potential in him.

[DAF86]

And if the depth can't be added via trade I would like to try some G-leaguers out. What can we possibly lose by cutting Pondexter and bringing Ben Moore up? Absolutely nothing. I still don't understand how a move like this hasn't been made yet.

[Chinook]

Pistons desperately need a PG since Jackson has turned out poorly for them. I wouldn't be willing to part with White or Murray for Johnson and they won't take nor will Spurs trade Patty, and Forbes is not a PG. Don't see it happening unless Detroit makes a move for Conley and Spurs get in as a 3rd team

The Pistons wouldn't be trading Johnson with the expectation of getting a starter back. They'd be doing it just to recoup some value from a failed selection. I don't believe that Detroit would balk at Bryn coming back, actually. It's just not clear that Bryn for Johnson makes any sense for the Spurs without something coming back. I'd at least want their second, but the Spurs don't have any use for yet another pick in this draft, and Detroit doesn't really have another second to give for a while. I just don't see Johnson's value as being good at all. He's been a bad player this season, which I still don't think a lot of folks on this site understand. He'd grade out as the worst player on the Spurs.

[Chinook]

And if the depth can't be added via trade I would like to try some G-leaguers out. What can we possibly lose by cutting Pondexter and bringing Ben Moore up? Absolutely nothing. I still don't understand how a move like this hasn't been made yet.

No reason to cut Pon for that. Ben could be called up at any time. Still wondering what Pop is saving him for, because as Lonnie gets healthier and especially once the d-league season ends, there'll be no reason to not have Walker with the big club. Essentially, if there's a time to play Moore, it'll be over the next month or so. btb, after the d-league season ends, it's my understanding that two-way players get unlimited call-ups. So even if the goal is to wait until April, there's no need.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, SJ has not been good at all his entire career so far. I don’t understand where people say he has value. He may develop more and a change of scenery could help, but he looks busty at this point.

[Hoops Czar]

They obviously don't need lots of depth. They have five unambiguously good players in White, DeRozan, Gay, Bertans and Aldridge and others in Mills, Forbes, Beli and Poeltl who are good enough for "depth" on any team. Gasol's in that category too, but he's not playing to that level now and could be left out. There will be playoff teams in the second round in both conferences with worse depth than that, if not in the third round.

And yeah, first-round picks are plenty in the way of assets to bring back depth. Look at any trade for a non-star and tell me those players went for more than expirings and a pick.

There's being pessimistic about the Spurs' talent and there's being unrealistic. Your argument is the latter.

DeRozan is an egregiously overpaid regular season stat padder who doesn't make his team better, Gay is injury plagued and out of a contract at seasons end, Mills and Forbes are TRASH, Beli only plays one side of the ball, Bertans is just a shooter and Poeltl is hit or miss. White shows promise and Murray is completely unproven with a flat jump shot. I'm sorry, we have different definitions of the word depth.

Have we finally come to the realization that the Spurs are officially playoff fodder as if we're now comparing them to the "other" teams that Spurs fans made fun of because their fans had unrealistic dreams of championship contention? Those teams with worse or similar depth doesn't change the fact that the Spurs have a very flawed roster with Aldridge being the only consistently healthy two-way player.

The Spurs don't have much of a future beyond the next three years so trading away draft picks for what would amount to short term success would be a very bad idea for a team that's closer to a rebuild than a championship.