NBA Trade Deadline 2019

[tbdog]

Well what would be the most you would offer for Prince?

[Dverde]

Do it R.C.. Put this entire league on it’s ass.

[Duncan87]

Some blog Spurs writer claims has decent sources Clan the Spurs on YouTube

[r0drig0lac]

Well what would be the most you would offer for Prince?

pick raps (he and Levert were my favorite players in the draft out the lottery, so I'm extremely high in their skil set)

[Chinook]

It's amazing to see someone pimp Conley like this. He's not even worth his contract, let alone worth his contract plus picks and prospects. If the Spurs had like multiple cheap core players and a really good cap outlook, Conley's deal wouldn't really matter. But adding him out make it really hard to build around him, DeRozan and Aldridge. Even if they're a better team with him, they wouldn't have the ability to take the next step, so what would it matter? In a world where the Spurs already had an outside chance at contending and just needed a third star, gambling on Conley could have made sense. He'd've theoretically slotted into a Green, Leonard, Gay, Aldridge unit very well. Not a fit with DeRozan at all, though, and he's certainly not good enough to where fit isn't a concern.

[RD2191]

The Hawks are reportedly open to moving Taurean Prince at the trade deadline.

he is from SA and he is a good wing, who can defend and shoot the 3. Could be interesting if they want a pick imo.

I read tayshaun prince and was like wtf.

[DPG21920]

It's amazing to see someone pimp Conley like this. He's not even worth his contract, let alone worth his contract plus picks and prospects. If the Spurs had like multiple cheap core players and a really good cap outlook, Conley's deal wouldn't really matter. But adding him out make it really hard to build around him, DeRozan and Aldridge. Even if they're a better team with him, they wouldn't have the ability to take the next step, so what would it matter? In a world where the Spurs already had an outside chance at contending and just needed a third star, gambling on Conley could have made sense. He'd've theoretically slotted into a Green, Leonard, Gay, Aldridge unit very well. Not a fit with DeRozan at all, though, and he's certainly not good enough to where fit isn't a concern.

I mean, if sa wants to try to contend to the best of their ability it’s only a 2 year window after this season. LMA/DeRozan aren’t young and they have to swing sometime, no?

There might not be anyone better ever available either via trade or free agency (not saying Conley is amazing).

But maybe SA doesn’t value that as much and is fine just being decent with more of a focus on youth/picks/flexibility while being “just” a playoff team? I don’t know.

SA only has two years with LMA/DeRozan, all-star level players and do they want to waste that or take a calculated two-year gamble knowing that once DeRozan/LMA deals are up, it’s more of a reset time?

[Dverde]

It's amazing to see someone pimp Conley like this. He's not even worth his contract, let alone worth his contract plus picks and prospects. If the Spurs had like multiple cheap core players and a really good cap outlook, Conley's deal wouldn't really matter. But adding him out make it really hard to build around him, DeRozan and Aldridge. Even if they're a better team with him, they wouldn't have the ability to take the next step, so what would it matter? In a world where the Spurs already had an outside chance at contending and just needed a third star, gambling on Conley could have made sense. He'd've theoretically slotted into a Green, Leonard, Gay, Aldridge unit very well. Not a fit with DeRozan at all, though, and he's certainly not good enough to where fit isn't a concern.

Less gambling with a trade. It locks in Conley, Derozen, LMA for this year and next year. You assume we can get good free agents to come here. They rarely pick SA, LMA almost picked Phoenix and he is from Texas. Conley is overpaid that is why the return is lower than normal.

[cd021]

Conley is an all-star caliber player. They wouldn’t trade him if there wasn’t an asset in return. Gasol provides salary relief if waived, but not an asset. Patty Mills still has multiple years left and probably seen as trade filler. They won’t trade him for just those two. I would think one of White, Forbes, Murray and one of our draft picks would be enough. I would tell them no on Bertrans. I would try to keep White out of the other three.

Conley is a fine player but not all-star caliber because that implies he has a chance of making the all-star team. Moving a pick and or White, Bertans or Murray in a deal for him is a no go. His contract is prohibitive; he's not just getting overpaid by a couple of million a season like Mills, he's getting overpaid by around $10 million per and that gap is only going to increase as his contract escalates and his production decreases. It's not worth it.

[DPG21920]

Otto > Conley if SA is taking a swing though.

[Chinook]

I mean, if sa wants to try to contend to the best of their ability it’s only a 2 year window after this season. LMA/DeRozan aren’t young and they have to swing sometime, no?

There might not be anyone better ever available either via trade or free agency (not saying Conley is amazing).

But maybe SA doesn’t value that as much and is fine just being decent with more of a focus on youth/picks/flexibility while being “just” a playoff team? I don’t know.

SA only has two years with LMA/DeRozan, all-star level players and do they want to waste that or take a calculated two-year gamble knowing that once DeRozan/LMA deals are up, it’s more of a reset time?

When talking about Conley added to Leonard and Aldridge, it would have made sense, because Mike's strengths would have covered that roster's weaknesses. The issue would have been giving Leonard the DPE in a year where LMA got a huge raise and Conley's deal became even more unbearable. Not easy math, but for a real shot at a le, it was worth it. DeRozan is a harder player to add Conley to. At best you get a Lowry, DMDR situation. But then you get a LMA who doesn't eat enough. You do nothing for the wing defense and indeed might even make it worse, because White is a less workable fit with two ball-dominant guards, and the shooting isn't great anyway. So you could see a Forbes, Conley, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge unit. Not really a contender based on that.

If there is a wing or forward available who could really make an impact, I'm totally not against going hard. But I'm not looking at the Spurs' young players and picks as currency that should eventually be spent no matter what. The Spurs can't be in a position to look to buy whatever upgrades they can get. They're in the position to develop their talent, and if an upgrade can be had that makes sense, they can go for it then.

[Duncan87]

Dude from Spurs the Clan says Celtics and Spurs talking trade for Rozier

[Chinook]

Less gambling with a trade. It locks in Conley, Derozen, LMA for this year and next year.

No one wants to lock in Conley. That's what everyone's been saying. He's bad value. Really bad value. Having those three doesn't just sacrifice cap space. It sacrifices room under the tax line (meaning the team's operating budget). It would mean not re-signing most supporting players and not using the MLE to get better.

Conley is overpaid that is why the return is lower than normal.

Yet you're trading for him as if he's not overpaid. He's not some All-Star guy who's just hard to fit into a salary cap. He's a pretty good player paid like a DPE player who can't even be counted on to give you a full season of his very-good-not-All-NBA play. That drives his value near zero, if not below, not to multiple picks and rotation players.

[Pavlov]

Dude from Spurs the Clan says Celtics and Spurs talking trade for Rozier

[Chinook]

Dude from Spurs the Clan says Celtics and Spurs talking trade for Rozier

Hope its not true. I literally can't think of a trade that would make less sense. I guess, though, that something like Forbes for Rozier could make sense. Celtics might want a cheap guy for another year, and the Spurs might want to save money and get a guy with some level of ceiling. Anything more than a player-for-player deal would be a real head-scratcher.

[Spurs da champs]

Guy from Clan the Spurs says Spurs are showing strong interest in Rozier

Given the Spurs infatuation with guards, I believe it.

[NASpurs]

Dude from Spurs the Clan says Celtics and Spurs talking trade for Rozier

But seriously, who the is this guy...

[DPG21920]

When talking about Conley added to Leonard and Aldridge, it would have made sense, because Mike's strengths would have covered that roster's weaknesses. The issue would have been giving Leonard the DPE in a year where LMA got a huge raise and Conley's deal became even more unbearable. Not easy math, but for a real shot at a le, it was worth it. DeRozan is a harder player to add Conley to. At best you get a Lowry, DMDR situation. But then you get a LMA who doesn't eat enough. You do nothing for the wing defense and indeed might even make it worse, because White is a less workable fit with two ball-dominant guards, and the shooting isn't great anyway. So you could see a Forbes, Conley, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge unit. Not really a contender based on that.

If there is a wing or forward available who could really make an impact, I'm totally not against going hard. But I'm not looking at the Spurs' young players and picks as currency that should eventually be spent no matter what. The Spurs can't be in a position to look to buy whatever upgrades they can get. They're in the position to develop their talent, and if an upgrade can be had that makes sense, they can go for it then.

I agree with the last sentence a lot; all my proposals assume SA only trades Pau/Mills + the first round picks. But not the youth. In order to have a shot to “contend” imo, they need to add to Lma/DeRozan and the young core has to leap more and be the filler players.

I mean, in that light, I think SA could aggressively dangle Pau/Mills + 2 firsts for a player like Conley or Otto. It’s just one strategy, but I think taking a swing the best you can for 2 years is worth it as long as it ends when DeRozan/LMA ends and you don’t lose any of the known youth. I don’t want Conley but if SA did that in this context (only trading Pau/Mills + picks) I would not be pissed. But I dont want them to do it.

But they can also wait until the last year of DeRozan/LMA deal and have lots of cap space, but that’s just one year at that point to make a push.

Or? They just stay the course, keep drafting, developing and hopefully find a way to get more draft assets like BOS did and just go that route knowing no matter what, realistically, you can’t build a contender with DeRozan/LMA

But a lineup of Conley / Murray / DeRozan / Rudy / LMA & bench of White / Lonnie / Beli / Bertans / Poeltl? That seems like it has potential.

But there is no clear path and any “shot” to really go for it will have major flaws and be a gamble. I don’t think they should trade any of the main youth (White, Lonnie, DJM, Bertans, Poeltl) to do anything.

[SpurPadre]

Conley's health went over a cliff about 4 years ago. You have to factor in both that, and the fact that he makes stupid money into any decision. I don't want a player who will likely play only 60 games and take home north of $30M.

Yes, there's the money but we're not just going to inherit that money without shedding some back. Moreover, he's only missed one game this season and is averaging well over 30 minutes a game. To expect him to all of a sudden miss most of the rest of the season is grasping at straws.

[SpurPadre]

But seriously, who the is this guy...

tspence?

[r0drig0lac]

Dude from Spurs the Clan says Celtics and Spurs talking trade for Rozier

dat 5 guard lineup

[Chinook]

I agree with the last sentence a lot; all my proposals assume SA only trades Pau/Mills + the first round picks. But not the youth. In order to have a shot to “contend” imo, they need to add to Lma/DeRozan and the young core has to leap more and be the filler players.

I consider the picks part of the core. Not in the same sense, obviously, but I'm not tossing in a pick that could easily be in the teens again for nothing. If the Toronto pick is another White, Murray or Anderson, even that has real value compared to Conley.

But a lineup of Conley / Murray / DeRozan / Rudy / LMA & bench of White / Lonnie / Beli / Bertans / Poeltl? That seems like it has potential.

Look at this: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...34094041020931
The Spurs have almost no room to add to the team this summer and not that much to retain the key guys. Like maybe you could keep Murray and Poeltl, but Gay, Bertans, Beli are walking, and you don't have the assets to replace them since you traded your picks. So now you have an aged group of players hopefully being carried by max-contract Murray and soon-to-be-huge-contract White. That's not a winning team. Porter is different, because his deal never gets that bad, he shouldn't decline over the course of his contract and he doesn't block anyone from the rotation. Porter fills in a hole with a high-end role-player. Conley covers much the Spurs' biggest chance at improvement with an highly overpaid lesser star. Not the same.

[DPG21920]

I consider the picks part of the core. Not in the same sense, obviously, but I'm not tossing in a pick that could easily be in the teens again for nothing. If the Toronto pick is another White, Murray or Anderson, even that has real value compared to Conley.



Look at this: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...34094041020931
The Spurs have almost no room to add to the team this summer and not that much to retain the key guys. Like maybe you could keep Murray and Poeltl, but Gay, Bertans, Beli are walking, and you don't have the assets to replace them since you traded your picks. So now you have an aged group of players hopefully being carried by max-contract Murray and soon-to-be-huge-contract White. That's not a winning team. Porter is different, because his deal never gets that bad, he shouldn't decline over the course of his contract and he doesn't block anyone from the rotation. Porter fills in a hole with a high-end role-player. Conley covers much the Spurs' biggest chance at improvement with an highly overpaid lesser star. Not the same.

I don’t view the picks (very likely in the late 20’s) as the same. I mean, I don’t want to lose them but they won’t set SA back by losing them. Losing the youth would definitely set them back though so I place more value on them than the picks.

But yeah, Conley is a huge gamble, way more than Otto. I have said I would definitely rather have Otto than Conley and that I don’t want the Conley deal. I’m saying I can see why SA might see a reason to do it if they didn’t give up anything but Pau/Mills player-wise.

Again, I dont want it, but I see that angle in particular and would not blow a gasket. I would have low expectations but I wouldn’t be pissed.

If it didn’t work after the rest of this season and all of next season, they are all on expiring deals and you could probably blow it up as long as DeRozan/LMA had not fallen off a cliff. You can trade DeRozan/LMA and hopefully have the assets from those trades to dump Conley if need be (or just eat a year)

[pad300]

If I were running the spurs, I would be chasing Kemba (see my post 4 days ago, https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...01#post9677801 ), rather than Conley. Younger, cheaper (Both you have to trade less assets, and his next contract will be cheaper: he can't command a DPE if traded), less injury prone, IMO as good...

[Play Boban]

Gasol would’ve been cool five years ago. Now...meh...