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Taurean Prince would be a nice get if ATL is actually shopping. Plus he is from SA. I've always liked his game
He would have been really good back when the Spurs still had Leonard and Green. Would have completed that first unit and probably roster. Now it's not as clear. He's easier to find matching salary for, but that makes him worth more value. Kemba's been a really good player this year, and he's expressed at least publicly a willingness to stay in Charlotte long term. They aren't going to sell him just to sell him. The Spurs could probably trade for him (because they apparently had enough beforehand), but it wouldn't be cheaper than Conley.
Taurean Prince would be a nice get if ATL is actually shopping. Plus he is from SA. I've always liked his game
Conley comes with a locked in contract while Kemba is expiring. He's not going to be more expensive than Conley.
As far as Kemba being available, MJ has to fish or cut bait; he needs to have a compe ive team or rebuild. IMO he can't rebuild with all the bad contracts on the roster (Batum, M Williams, Biyombo), especially if Kemba demands a max to (worse, Kemba might be eligible for the DPE if he stays!), and he can't compete either. The hornets are really in a state where they need to burn it down and start over...
Conley doesn't make us contenders though..so we are going to blow our future on someone that doesn't move the needle enough to matter?
This is fair, but it’s not like all-stars are close-to-all-stars are just readily available. Sometimes, you may have to take a swing even if you know it’s not optimal and just hope for the best.
But ya, Conley 99% isn’t it. I would be pissed if they traded any of the youth for him.
Conley makes us a better contender than our “young core”. Everyday people want to get rid of Patty/Pau. Now people want to balk about giving up one of our guard prospects or draft picks. Delusional RC fanboys expect Memphis to take back our garbage contracts and give us a draft picks.DJ isn’t even playing and about to get a fat contract.
I think you missed the point of that.Conley makes us a better contender than our “young core”. Everyday people want to get rid of Patty/Pau. Now people want to balk about giving up one of our guard prospects or draft picks. Delusional RC fanboys expect Memphis to take back our garbage contracts and give us a draft picks.
What would you give up for Conley? I always said either White, Murray, or Forbes and a draft pick. That is not selling out our “young core”. We still have Lonnie and Metu too.
Prince fits in our timeline with our young core. I hope calls are being made. Just not sure what we can offer. He is like a top 15 pick and Tor pick is likely to be between 26 and 30. Are the Hawks willing to give up on Prince this early for that pick? Is something as simple as Forbe and Tor going to work or would the hawks want to offload Bazemores contract for Gasol as well?
Yeah you’re right. I looked at your post again. I understand the argument about it being a bad trade to make. I just see next two years as the last chance at a championship for awhile.
Conley comes with a locked contract no one wants. It's bad enough to make him negative. With Kemba, you can still choose to not give him a bad contract or to work with him to make the numbers fit. I don't have them as close.
If DD was playing like an all star or mvp type player then you'd go all in for a le and trade for a vet like Conley. DD is playing like a huge got though so the trade doesn't make much sense. I don't like LMA much but I feel a little bad for the guy, it's obvious this isn't what he expected at all when he signed with SA. Then again no one could foresee Kawhi ing out so yeah.
I would only give up Pau+Mills (huge salary relief for a full on reset for MEM which if MEM is trading Conley/Gasol, that is what they are doing) and the TOR pick and/or SA’s own pick.
That is not to say MEM would love that package, but that is the only type of deal I would even consider if Im SA and I hope they don’t consider it.
Not even close. Kemba>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Conley for various reasons.
Well DD not playing great (he was playing like an all star for a long stretch) doesn’t change much IMO. Spurs have him and LMA and unless they are going to trade DD (highly unlikely) then you still try to add to themIf DD was playing like an all star or mvp type player then you'd go all in for a le and trade for a vet like Conley. DD is playing like a huge got though so the trade doesn't make much sense. I don't like LMA much but I feel a little bad for the guy, it's obvious this isn't what he expected at all when he signed with SA. Then again no one could foresee Kawhi ing out so yeah.
But last time I will say it - we dont know what the Spurs are thinking. Trading for a player like DeRozan signaled they wanted to win now, but to what degree? Are they viewing this as an all in best we can do for two years type situation? Are they in wait and see mode for this season to really assess and plan next off season? Do they care more about just being compe ive/a playoff team with more of an eye on the future and rebuilding?
How they think dictates a ton of this and we don’t have that information.
Beyond that, my hope, realistically is use Gasol’s deal to get more future assets. There is not much this team needs, no apparent all star available that fits truly well on paper so go the BOS route and get assets.
Gasol’s 16M is already budgeted and waiving him doesn’t help all that much for next year anyways, so use his earmarked money to get assets and be smart about it.
The Spurs supposedly had a way to acquire a third star while keeping Leonard. Unless Green was the only contract that could have been used to get such a player, or unless that third star were DeRozan, the Spurs purposefully chose to not pursue a trade for that third star after they got DeRozan. To me, that suggests they weren't desperate to win now, and I don't believe it makes sense to assume Conley is appealing to them unless they see him as a finishing piece. Him simply being the "best they could get" likely doesn't motivate them if they passed on another player back when trading for him could have made the most difference.
I hope you realize all that Gasol money is going to Rudy Gay multiyear and DJ’s contract extension. They need to unload Patty to get a free agent.
Get Taurean Prince at all costs.
Dont care what it takes.
Perfectly logical. However, that report (I believe Jabari was the only one that alluded to that?) was not concrete and beyond that I think Danny was viewed as THAT valuable in a trade for said player.
Just don’t know, but I tend to agree that they don’t seem to be in “cash it all in for Pop’s last year(s)” mode.
They can still pay Rudy next year (not as much with Gasol’s full money on the books) and DJ’s contract extension doesn’t impact next season at all.
I don't know about all costs but yeah he is definitely the player spurs should be targeting if he's available
Man, Dipo just strechered off the court with some sort of knee injury. Not that its relevant to this thread, but damn.
The thing that stands out to me is that all of this chatter about an in-season trade is uncharted territory for this front office. I don't know what they are going to do but, it appears that they are trying to do something and I for one like that.
I'd prefer moving Pau/Mills for an Otto Porter type to make a run right now. The smarter move though might just be to go after Prince or JJackson if they are available on the cheap. Try and stay playoff compe ive instead of Championship compe ive and wait for the young guys to come into their own in a year or two. No matter what though we should know which way the FO is leaning shortly.
What is with all this Prince love?? I mean, like Stanley, this dude has not busted out or proven anything. I mean, he’s really young, it’s his 3rd year and a rebuilding ATL wants to trade him? Why?
I would be fine with trading spare parts for him, but he’s not some elite making the leap player.
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