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I like Prince because I think he has upside and potential but, I wouldn't consider getting him "going all in"..
I get what you’re saying but if you could get prince for a 1st rounder you gotta do it, I think the spurs are wanting to keep the picks but in the same sense it would be unfair for the veteran guys like LA who want to win now, they gotta look for ways to improve the team. Plus might as well go all in for pops final year/years
I like Prince because I think he has upside and potential but, I wouldn't consider getting him "going all in"..
If this guy is so good and on his rookie deal...why is Atlanta trying to trade him?
Lol I mean in general going all in, mike Conley, Tristan Thompson, prince, etc... make a compelling offer to get anybody that could help improve the team
I think hawks are building around Trae young, Collins, and Huerter for the future and I might be mistaken but after next year prince is a free agent who probably will demand a good chunk of money. If the hawks could get a 1st round pick it would probably entice them to move on from him
Rumors tbh. Nothing substantial as of yet.
That's a really weird trade. Spurs are sending out way more salary than they need to, and I doubt the Hawks would consider Cun an asset. If the Spurs are willing to trade Bryn and the pick, and the Hawks like Bryn and the pick, then just cut Dante out.
Also Forbes is better than Prince. You might be one of those "ew, Forbes is doodoo" folks, but if you are, Prince has been worse.
How do those player options work? Can the team pay the player to opt out?
Not in favor of that tbh. Spurs pick is probably going to be 21st to 23rd while Toronto's is 29-30. Forbes is probably equivalent to an early 2nd. I would do one or the other for him.
If it were Bazemore and Prince then I would go Gasol, Forbes and the Raps Pick.
Atlanta saves about $12 million next season and adds a 3rd 1st rounder along with Forbes on the cheap.
Spurs get a two rotation players for one.
White, Bazemore, DeRozen, Gay, LMA (or White, DDR, Prince, Gay, LMA)
Mills, Prince, Beli, Bertans, Poeltl
Forbes is a beneficiary of the Spurs system. Great value but no way is he currently a better player or a better prospect than Prince. Not to mention we have too much redundancy with Mills and Belli. Honestly, Mills is a Spur for life I'm sure. Mills still has at least 2 or 3 years of good basketball left. Forbes has to go.
I would move Forbes and the Raps pick but not just for Prince.
If it were a larger deal like Bazemore and Prince for Gasol, Forbes, and the Raps pick then I would move Forbes.
The point is Prince isn't very good. Can be as down on Bryn as you want, but wherever you have him, Taurean should be lower. I don't have them as close right now, but if PATFO saw enough in him to make a move, I'd at least be intrigued.
it's strange to compare these guys, they are in totally different systems, plus they got a different profile. I prefer prince profile, he got the size, he is a good defender but that doesn't mean he is better than forbes. Bryn is playing well this year but prince has better upside.
sad but true
no doubt Prince would look better in SA, and I really doubt that Forbes would have the chance elsewhere, to do what he's been doing here although his visible development makes him become a solid role player in the league (but by no means a starter in my ideal team design)
Last edited by r0drig0lac; 01-25-2019 at 04:54 AM.
The point is, that despite his short comings, Bryn is the better player currently, so he has more value as of today. Prince has been bad this year. I personally don't see the need to give up assets for someone who isn't good, despite potential ceiling, when we can draft or acquire one down the road. He isn't moving the needle this year for it to matter in my opinion.
Chinook i respect the out of your basketball takes man,and i consider you to be actually the best representative of the Spurs internet fanbase,educating fools in other basketball forums but i must say you're in the wrong in this one.
Firstly you compare Prince to Oubre.Prince is on a better contract than Oubre,as he is contracted all through next year so he is gonna demand $ later than Oubre will.They are both basically 3&D players right now.My issue is Prince is definitely a Spurs type player,never caused any problem,and Oubre is a headcase.I know you know that,come on.Pop would have him locked in the doghouse after the first tech,the first scuffle with punches thrown.
Then you go and compare him to Bryn Forbes? I mean,seriously,how can you even compare them?
Forbes is a deadly shooter,good at ude guy,occasionally does a drive and floater or complex layup for 2.He is a liability in defense,not his fault,it's his size and built.
Prince is a SF,consistent from 3,but his upside comes from his size and ability to play defense.I've personally engaged in this conversation cause i vividly remember him guarding Lebron last year in Atlanta and he was holding his ground physically and i was impressed.Lebron dropped 30 on him,but he never backed down,he wasn't "physically" overwhelmed.
Players with that size and wingspan and mentality to play defense while also shooting close to 40% from 3 are potentially elite role players on contending teams.
How can you compare that to Forbes? I certainly cannot.
Cheers.
Derrick Williams was a #2 overall pick in 2011, and is now playing for Bayern Munich. Guys bust out of the league all the time. Just because your franchise wasted a lottery pick on him doesn’t mean that’s what you get back.
Lonnie will be playing on the moon. Oh, wait, he thinks the moon is fake, so nevermind.
Prince developed in the Bud system until this year (his best year), and he's been the in the league as long as Forbes. There's really no reason to act like Bryn had some huge advantage. Forbes is also less than a year older, so it's not like Prince is a young guy. Players can still develop obviously. Look at PJ Tucker. But Prince isn't really set up for it. He's not a good defender. His numbers in that regard only really looked good his first year (as a bottom-of-the-rotation player). He might be able to get back there, but he wouldn't be the first guy who got exposed after playing more minutes. If PATFO wants him, that's good enough for me. But it'd be clear to me why they wouldn't want him if they don't.
One thing to consider is the Coach Bud connection with Prince. Obviously, if the Spurs are interested, I'm sure RC would get some inside intel on him. Also, he's a solid 3 point shooter hitting 38% of his 3's in 2017-18. After the all star break last year, he was averaging 19pts, 5rbs & 3.5ast per game. He is very versatile and could become a very good defender under the Spurs system. Trading Toronto's 1st and Forbes would be worth it in my opinion. I don't think Atlanta trades him for a 1st only without another young player or cap relief. Also, I don't agree that Forbes is the better player and even though I like Forbes a lot, his toughness is lacking and when Murray gets back next year, we will have a surplus of guards.
A three team scenario that gets us both Kanter and Prince would be the teams best bet. Something like this:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9wf9fju
-New York has some fun with Linsanity again
-Atlanta would also get a 2020 pick from us. *Atlants does not need any picks in 2019 since they have 7 already*
-Spurs get two players that can help us this season while creating cap space for this summer
Half glass full Spurs fans tend to wildly overrate Spurs players that everyone else knows are scrubs and don't belong in a respectable starting lineup. Forbes and Bonner are prime examples of this, tbh.
I mean. You are a bit hard on him because you ask a lot of your team. Every team has a Forbes type player almost who has to eat some bench minutes. We definitely need to find a way to get him off our starting lineup though.
That situation will resolve itself when DeJounte comes back next year.
True but then we have Forbes, Mills, Belli, and Walker on the bench at the very least next year. One of them has to go. Probably Forbes or Belli. But Spurs want to keep the reputation of utilizing their loyal veterans and taking care of them so I assume Forbes is our go to trade asset. We should not be worried about losing Forbes since we have to permanently bench someone next year anyway.
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