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    the precedent is Obama's refusal to defend DOMA.

    most of the the people who hated that will love this.

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    it's notable that some DOJ lawyers resigned rather than sign the brief.

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    when the shoe's on the other foot conservatives will cry again about the executive branch picking and choosing which laws to defend.

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    the precedent is Obama's refusal to defend DOMA.

    most of the the people who hated that will love this.
    False equivalence, yawn

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    Trump tells 130 million people with pre-existing conditions to pound sand

    the administration is actually arguing that it's uncons utional to stop insurance companies from denying or dropping coverage for people with pre-existing conditions like cancer, asthma, or diabetes.

    About half of nonelderly Americans have one or more pre-existing health conditions, according to a recent brief by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services,

    means private insurance wouldn't have to guarantee coverage to those 130 million people any more.

    what this is doing is heaping even more uncertainty into an already shaky individual insurance market.

    Insurers are right now setting premiums for next year, and in some cases
    what this is doing is heaping even more uncertainty into an already shaky individual insurance market. Insurers are right now setting premiums for next year, and in some cases hiking them as much as 30 percent.

    This attack from the Trump administration only adds to that. And will probably mean further rate hikes.

    "Any time there’s uncertainty about the future,

    insurers are going to build extra cushion into their premiums to make sure they get revenues while they can,"


    This attack from the Trump administration only adds to that.

    And will probably mean further rate hikes.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/8/1770375/-Trump-tells-130-million-people-with-pre-existing-conditions-to-pound-sand


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    When Jeff Sessions argued Eric Holder should have resigned rather than do what Sessions just did

    here's what he saidabout it at the time, when he was in the Senate.

    At a March 2011 confirmation hearing for the Solicitor General, he said that [AG Eric] Holder should have stood up to Obama and resigned, rather that stopping his DOMA defense.

    "[T]he Attorney General should have told the President,

    'I know you may have changed your mind, Mr. President, but this is a statutory law passed by the Congress of the United States, it's been upheld Cons utionally and it has to be defended. We cannot fail to defend that statute. And then what happens? I think what happens is the President says, 'okay, I wish we could….'

    And I think he would have backed off. If not, then you have to resign."




    https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/1005113166462902275?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=ht tps%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2018%2F6%2F 8%2F1770393%2F-When-Jeff-Sessions-argued-Eric-Holder-should-have-resigned-rather-than-do-what-Sessions-just-did


    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1770393



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    Trump'll blame it on Obama. It will probably work.

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    Republicans panic over Trump's admission that the GOP doesn't care about your pre-existing condition

    The Trump administration, in endorsing what is pretty much a bogus legal challenge by Texas and other conservative states to the Affordable Care Act, has exposed a truth Republicans have been desperately trying to conceal.

    For years,

    Republicans have insisted they want to keep the popular parts of Obamacare and especially the protections for people with pre-existing conditions,

    all while trying to sneak in changes that would effectively end those protections.

    Now that Trump has ripped the subterfuge away just months before an already perilous midterm election,
    Republicans are panicking.

    "This is definitely the most popular aspect of the Obamacare legislation, and it clearly creates an opening for Democrats going into the final months of the election year," GOP strategist Ken Spain, a former communications director at the National Republican Congressional Committee, told TPM.

    Poll after poll has found that protecting people with pre-existing conditions is the most emotionally potent health care argument for voters.

    A survey conducted by the Democratic firm Hart Research Associates for Protect Our Care this past January and shared with TPM on Friday found that the issue was one of the most effective in the healthcare debate:

    63 percent of voters had "very major concerns" and another 20 percent had "somewhat major concerns"

    with the GOP’s efforts to repeal pre-existing condition protections.

    Among independents, that number rose to 73 percent with "very major concerns."

    In
    other polling,

    voters routinely identify healthcare as the biggest issue they care about.

    Fully 27 percent of non-elderly adult Americans have a pre-existing condition—

    "conditions that would likely leave them uninsurable if they applied for individual market coverage under pre-ACA underwriting practices that existed in nearly all states"


    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1750881



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    Rate Filings Make Clear that ACA Sabotage Is Driving Up Premiums

    Last year, as part of the recently passed tax law, Congress repealed the Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) individual mandate penalty,

    despite
    estimates from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office that this would increase average individual market premiums by 10 percent.

    The individual mandate fined people who chose to remain uninsured in order to encourage younger and healthier people to purchase health coverage.

    This resulted in a healthier insurance pool, lowering premiums for everyone.


    In recent weeks, state have begun to hit their deadlines for insurers to file their proposed individual market premium rates.

    The emerging trend from these rate filings is clear:

    Congress’ repeal of the mandate penalty is significantly driving up premiums.

    In many states thus far, insurer rate filings have explicitly pointed to Congress’ actions as a major driver of premium increases.


    The direct link between Congress’ repeal of the individual mandate penalty and

    these individual market rate hikes is not a matter of conjecture:

    Insurers and state officials are stating it plainly.


    The rate filings from these states make clear that sabotage from the Trump administration and Congress is undermining the market and
    raising costs for consumers.

    https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ving-premiums/



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    No, having insurance at your job won't save you and your pre-existingcondition from Trump

    The states and Trump are arguing that some parts of the law linked to the insurance-coverage mandate should be tossed—the provisions that make access to health insurance universal.

    If those provisions are struck down, then employers would again have the ability to lock people out of health care.

    They could require lengthy waiting periods for new hires to get insurance (now limited to 90 days)

    or could opt to not cover a new employee's cancer, for example, for up to a year.

    Small companies with a large number of older or sicker employees could face much higher insurance costs when purchasing coverage, costs they'd have to pass on to employees.

    About 13 million people work for and get their coverage from small employers.


    Republicans keep insisting that they really don't want to go back to the bad old days
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    but everything they've done to fight the law for eight long years argues otherwise.

    It's taken eight years, but they finally seem to have clued in on the fact that they're the ones who are going to be blamed for it.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...ion-from-Trump

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    McConnell: 'Everybody' in the Senate wants to protect pre-existing coverage.

    Democrats: Oh, really?


    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...rats-Oh-really





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    Republican in tight reelection voted against Obamacare — but now swears he cares about it



    Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA)
    is running neck-and-neck with his Democratic opponent Harley Rouda, according to the New York Times.

    Perhaps that’s why

    he is being forced to eat crow on his vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

    “Politicians argue a lot about health care, but for me it’s personal,” Rohrabacher said.

    “So for her and all families we must protect America’s health care system,” he continued. “


    Rohrabacher
    voted to get rid of the law that would do exactly that.

    In fact,
    he did it several times.

    Furthermore, the issue of pre-existing conditions isn’t one that either party fights over.

    Both parties want to see health insurance companies cover those with health problems.


    His website still has a press release saying Obamacare equals socialism

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/republican-tight-reelection-voted-obamacare-now-swears-cares/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29

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    cancer clinic in Texas to close due to Medicare cuts:

    The Rio Bravo, one of the last independent cancer clinics in Texas, occupies a drab brown metal building on a side street, next to Tino’s Electric in this border city of about 36,000 residents.


    It draws patients from Val Verde, Kinney, Maverick, Terrell and Uvalde counties, an expanse of almost 10,000 square miles. A few also come from Ciudad Acuña, Mexico.


    Most patients are seniors and dependent on Medicare, said clinic administrator Diego Taylor, 42, Susan Taylor’s son.


    But the clinic has been in the red for about 18 months because of a series of Medicare cuts for cancer drugs, he said.


    “We’ve been taking a big hit,” he said. “All across the country, the smaller independent clinics are closing down, merging with larger clinics or being acquired by hospitals because they can’t afford to buy the drugs.”
    https://www.expressnews.com/news/loc...e-13399898.php

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    cancer clinic in Texas to close due to Medicare cuts:

    https://www.expressnews.com/news/loc...e-13399898.php
    Suffering, dead Hispanics. Repugs gotta pay for the oligarchy's tax cut.

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    The problem can't be fixed without controlling costs.


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    The problem can't be fixed without controlling costs.
    yawn. Controlling costs means reducing BigHealthCare's and its investors' profits.

    Simply ain't gonna happen.

    BigHealthCare sets its prices, like BigFinance, the MIC, etc, because it can, and there's no way to stop them.

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    yawn. Controlling costs means reducing BigHealthCare's and its investors' profits.

    Simply ain't gonna happen.

    BigHealthCare sets its prices, like BigFinance, the MIC, etc, because it can, and there's no way to stop them.
    Obamacare mandates that policies all cover "essential" benefits such as maternity regardless whether you are male, child or non-bearing age. How can costs be controlled when all the males are paying for coverage that they can NEVER use? Runaway costs are not to be blamed only on Big X, Y, Z. A very central core of Obamacare SUCKS.

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    it's true that Obamacare sucks, but rolling it back doesn't help either.

    what is Trump doing to improve access to/affordability of healthcare in the USA?

    feel free to add any ideas of your own.

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    Obamacare mandates that policies all cover "essential" benefits such as maternity regardless whether you are male, child or non-bearing age. How can costs be controlled when all the males are paying for coverage that they can NEVER use? Runaway costs are not to be blamed only on Big X, Y, Z. A very central core of Obamacare SUCKS.
    goddamn, you're ing stupid

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    Obamacare mandates that policies all cover "essential" benefits such as maternity regardless whether you are male, child or non-bearing age. How can costs be controlled when all the males are paying for coverage that they can NEVER use? Runaway costs are not to be blamed only on Big X, Y, Z. A very central core of Obamacare SUCKS.
    Only women should contribute to insurance that covers maternity costs?

    Republicans have a poor understanding of the concept of insurance.

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    Only women should contribute to insurance that covers maternity costs?

    Republicans have a poor understanding of the concept of insurance.
    Obamacare is the master plan. Amirite?

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    Obamacare is the master plan. Amirite?
    Master plan of what?

    It's actually HeritageFoundationcare or Nixoncare if you have any sense of history. It's a stopping point on the inevitable way to generally socialized medicine.

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    Master plan of what?

    It's actually HeritageFoundationcare or Nixoncare if you have any sense of history. It's a stopping point on the inevitable way to generally socialized medicine.
    Sociopath truth

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    Obamacare is the master plan. Amirite?
    Much as you want your interlocutors to be deluded cultists they aren't. Posters like ElNono, ChumpDumper and myself were saying the exact same thing ten years ago that we're saying now -- that Obamacare is flawed, a halfway measure, that it is a sop to insurance companies, and that it won't work because it does not control costs.

    All checkable, you don't have to take my word for it.

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    Just the way I see it happening. You know, like every other country in the world.

    Master plan of what?

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    Actually, he's right.

    Obamacare is modeled on RomneyCare which was modeled on the Heritage Foundation white paper on insurance mandates.

    Back then it was sold as "individual responsibility" for healthcare.

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