NBA Trade Deadline 2019

[marinoman]

Not sure if spurs will make a move or not, gotta read more info from the Klan

[Chinook]

Agree if we're talking about next season, I'm still thinking in this one though. I think he can help our team to grow. Next season, a decent S Johnson might be an interesting bench player for a contender.



Somehow Harden has become a decent defender. He's even good in the low post. I really hate Harden's game but can't deny his success so far, they're still winning without Paul and Capela (They've added Faried and Rivers and they're helping them to win). If they add another 3&D (Ariza, Bazemore rumors say) and recover Danuel House, they will have a better roster they had last year. Morey allows D'Antoni to run his system but knows he needs defense and rebounding so he's adding more and more personnel that can deal with the dirty work (on top of Capela).
That's what good franchises do: surround their stars with that kind of players. Ideally, you want to have all-stars that also play good defense and can rebound, but there is just a handful of that elite of the elite players. Role players can do well the dirty job whilst stars create highlights with the ball in their hands. It doesn't' work the other way.

Going back to the topic, I just found this in twitter:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is wrong or misleading. That partial guarantee thing only matters after the deadline. There'd be no issue trading him for matching salary now.

[r0drig0lac]

If they add another 3&D (Ariza, Bazemore rumors say) and recover Danuel House, they will have a better roster they had last year. Morey allows D'Antoni to run his system but knows he needs defense and rebounding so he's adding more and more personnel that can deal with the dirty work (on top of Capela).

agree

[cd021]

Ingram has been disappointing but you gotta wonder if leaving the Lakers would better him the way it did D Lo?

He had a horrid rookie year, a better second year by comparison ( but still poor) and then this season has seen him regress from last season. 3 seasons in and he is still a far below average player. At this point, he may end up going the Michael Beasley route. Eventually being a journeyman after leaving his first team.

[MoSpur02]

Heard Thon Maker is wanting a trade

[jermaine]

Heard Thon Maker is wanting a trade

Pop loves blacks an foreigners..... Sign him up

[Chinook]

Hopefully he is auditioning for a trade.

Tonight hurt his value. It's not that he's been bad -- he's actually been pretty good. But Okafor has looked just as good if not better. It just highlights how easy it is to find a good offensive big nowadays. Yes, there are places where Gasol could get minutes. But I can't think of many places where he'd be the best option. I guess he's not as bad as having Miles Plumlee or Mozgov, so that's positive.

This is baseless speculation on my part, but Pau and Davis are enough salary ballast for an Otto Porter trade. Wouldn't like that move, though. Beli would be good. Bertans going out would hamper the team's upside, especially next year.

[Duncan87]

Pau playing good gonna make Pop forget bout trade deadline

[Chinook]

Gasol's still better than Poeltl. It's just that they were fine with Poeltl, and you can't play all three.

[DAF86]

Gasol's still better than Poeltl. It's just that they were fine with Poeltl, and you can't play all three.

Just, no.

Poeltl gives you a defensive ceiling that Gasol could never provide.

[Chinook]

Just, no.

Poeltl gives you a defensive ceiling that Gasol could never provide.

Yeah, Gasol's still a better defender than Poeltl. Like in a vacuum, I could agree Poeltl would do a better job. In the context of a team, Pau is better. What he gives up in mobility he gets back in IQ.

[ceperez]

Yeah, Gasol's still a better defender than Poeltl. Like in a vacuum, I could agree Poeltl would do a better job. In the context of a team, Pau is better. What he gives up in mobility he gets back in IQ.

Pau is a better post defender and maybe a better offensive player. Poetl is a more mobile player.

Looks like Pau may have passed his audition!

[DAF86]

Yeah, Gasol's still a better defender than Poeltl. Like in a vacuum, I could agree Poeltl would do a better job. In the context of a team, Pau is better. What he gives up in mobility he gets back in IQ.

Under what criteria?

[Chinook]

Under what criteria?

Like stopping other teams from scoring.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Yeah, Gasol's still a better defender than Poeltl. Like in a vacuum, I could agree Poeltl would do a better job. In the context of a team, Pau is better. What he gives up in mobility he gets back in IQ.

Well his IQ doesn't do in Pick n roll defense which Poetl does a much better job. In half court team defense Gasol might be a bit better, but in playoff basketball where everybody runs a million pick n rolls, Gasol will get killed.

[TimDunkem]

Well his IQ doesn't do in Pick n roll defense which Poetl does a much better job. In half court team defense Gasol might be a bit better, but in playoff basketball where everybody runs a million pick n rolls, Gasol will get killed.

Just wait until he burns out by then. It's only going to get worse with Spanish llama.

[Genovaswitness]

Heard Thon Maker is wanting a trade

I'd give up 38 year old pau for 40 year old thon

[RD2191]

I'd give up 38 year old pau for 40 year old thon

[Chinook]

Well his IQ doesn't do in Pick n roll defense which Poetl does a much better job. In half court team defense Gasol might be a bit better, but in playoff basketball where everybody runs a million pick n rolls, Gasol will get killed.

Yeah, and Tim got killed just as bad in pick-and-rolls. Still a good defender. Poeltl, like Splitter, is more mobile, but Tiago's instincts on that end were phenomenal. Poeltl makes great plays, but he is still prone to losing his head and fouling or falling for a fake. And he really doesn't do very well guarding good bigs, and there are some of those in the Western bracket.

[Chinook]

Of course, people are getting hung up on the Gasol>Poeltl part. That doesn't mean that the Spurs should try to keep Pau no matter what. But folks confuse their dislike for a player with that player actually being bad. Same happened with Forbes and Mills. Gasol is the second-best big on the team, and like Jakob, he plays much better when he has an established role and is allowed to get into rhythm. They both look bad when they split time, but either one will be a good backup center if they're allowed to settle in there.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Yeah, and Tim got killed just as bad in pick-and-rolls. Still a good defender. Poeltl, like Splitter, is more mobile, but Tiago's instincts on that end were phenomenal. Poeltl makes great plays, but he is still prone to losing his head and fouling or falling for a fake. And he really doesn't do very well guarding good bigs, and there are some of those in the Western bracket.

Please don't ever (and I mean EVER) compare Gasols defense to Tim Duncan's. You lose all credibility when you do that.

[Chinook]

Please don't ever (and I mean EVER) compare Gasols defense to Tim Duncan's. You lose all credibility when you do that.

Yeah, you probably didn't watch the Spurs much back when Tim was playing. Duncan's mobility was a huge issue the last half-dozen or so years he was in the league. The first series I remember when that really was an issue was the 2010 semis against Phoenix. What made Leonard and Green so good was that they were able to let Tim defend in a phone booth, where his timing and instincts are unparalleled in NBA history. Back then, the Spurs actually did not like switching at all (that came with in Messina's second year he Pop let him implement the "Wall" defense), because it exposed Duncan's lack of mobility. In fact, Pop had been routinely taking Tim out for final-shot situations by 2013, because he couldn't stay with anybody.

Gasol is actually a very good defender in a phone booth, which is why his impact stats on that end have been very strong as a Spur. This new NBA makes switching more important, and that prevents him from playing to his strengths, but he was still an anchor on last year's top unit. With the perimeter players this year, it's more of a challenge than ever, but Pau is still grading out very well.

[DAF86]

Like stopping other teams from scoring.

Yeah, no.

[Chinook]

Yeah, no.

Yep.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Yeah, you probably didn't watch the Spurs much back when Tim was playing. Duncan's mobility was a huge issue the last half-dozen or so years he was in the league. The first series I remember when that really was an issue was the 2010 semis against Phoenix. What made Leonard and Green so good was that they were able to let Tim defend in a phone booth, where his timing and instincts are unparalleled in NBA history. Back then, the Spurs actually did not like switching at all (that came with in Messina's second year he Pop let him implement the "Wall" defense), because it exposed Duncan's lack of mobility. In fact, Pop had been routinely taking Tim out for final-shot situations by 2013, because he couldn't stay with anybody.

Gasol is actually a very good defender in a phone booth, which is why his impact stats on that end have been very strong as a Spur. This new NBA makes switching more important, and that prevents him from playing to his strengths, but he was still an anchor on last year's top unit. With the perimeter players this year, it's more of a challenge than ever, but Pau is still grading out very well.

boy you don't get to pull that old man card on me. I've been watching the Spurs since 95. it doesn't matter that Tims defense was slow. That he wasn't as mobile. The point I'm making is that Gasol has never EVER been in Duncan's league defensively. I'm not an idiot. I understood your point about mobility. But old man Duncan is better than old man Gasol on defense, so your point is beyond useless.

Gasol sucks against playoff teams. That's a fact. He sucks at switching and he sucks defending the pick n roll. This whole, he would be better 10 years ago thing is a load of crap. he'd be better in 1953 too when everyone was unskilled and short. Doesn't do us any good in the present. phone booth doesn't mean crap this year son and neither does what he did last year. He's another year older and another year slower and coming off a broken foot.