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    Chim's already a pretty good d-league player. What's hurting him is that he's not going to be a first-option player in the NBA, and it's hard to develop those skills with the lack of complimentary talent. Guards have it easiest there, because they can pretty much do everything they need to no matter how bad the rest of the team is. Bigs just need a good guard. Forwards are tricky. Chim being a selfish/"assertive" player in the d-league works, but in the pros, he'll have to learn to be "solid" before anyone's gonna start giving him the ball. Give him time. The Spurs guaranteed two years of his deal for a reason.
    But which position will he play? It's hard to see him anything beside 5. And we have not enough 5 minutes for our actual 5s.

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    Yeah it has which was I was surprised he was running the point for the Spurs this past game. He was not great but he was not bad he showed he has pretty good handles. While I liked what I saw he still needs to play all the G League games but still be bought up when we can give him minutes with the big boys.

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    Metu can not play Center well not unless he uses John Jones secrete pill recipes.

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    But which position will he play? It's hard to see him anything beside 5. And we have not enough 5 minutes for our actual 5s.
    I don't know why folks don't think he can't play the four. His face up game and spot shooting are what he does best on offense and he's certainly mobile enough to defend PFs. What gives?

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    Going into your first game in a bigger league can be daunting mentally. If you ever played BB, think of the first time you experienced the rush and pressure. Most rookies take a long time to adjust.

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    I don't know why folks don't think he can't play the four. His face up game and spot shooting are what he does best on offense and he's certainly mobile enough to defend PFs. What gives?
    We'll wait and see.
    To me he hasn't showed enough shooting or passing. Today's fours are Lebrons and Durants and Harrises and Gays. I just can't see him competing against this type of players.

    Dallas has this Kleber fellow who can protect the basket on one end and stretch the floor on the other end. This is what Metu needs to become to be a competent back-up four.

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    Summary: Cunningham's D was bad.
    Seen a lot of posters fawn over his defense. But at 1:40 just way too easy. His spacial awareness seemed lacking too.


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    Do you think there is the remotest possibility that Pop believes that Quincy is still in recovery mode, that he can recover enough to approach his former level of athleticism/effectiveness and that, consequently, they still have a plan (at least a tentative plan) for him as a Spur?
    No, I don't think so. I believe what he is doing is exactly why he is the roster. Positive at ude, can play when needed, professional. Nothing less, nothing more. The perfect 10-11th player.

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    The question I got about Metu is.... why can't he replace Cunningham?

    He's taller, more mobile and can shoot the 3. He's not as bulky, but Cunningham can't guard anyone and is worthless in help defense.
    Because Metu can't play NBA basketball right now (and never will, I am afraid). He is clueless about what to do, and when. It is painful yo watch. Seems a good guy but, really, he can't play in the NBA.

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    Metu can not play Center well not unless he uses John Jones secrete pill recipes.

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    No, I don't think so. I believe what he is doing is exactly why he is the roster. Positive at ude, can play when needed, professional. Nothing less, nothing more. The perfect 10-11th player.
    Yeah, kind of a pity. When we signed him I was hopeful that maybe he could bounce back all the way to the rotation.

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    In my view, Walker should get any minutes that that Cunningham would normally see action. Pop won't do that because he's stubborn as mule in terms of playing veterans. Nevertheless, as Walker said, just keep grinding it out and take advantage of every opportunity when out on the court and hopefully that will sway Pop to play him more.

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    Eh, I assumed Rudy was going to rest tomorrow, which is why Pop played him so much.
    I don't buy that excuse, tbh. Gay hasn't purposely been sat on the second game of a back-to-back this season. In fact, he hasn't been rested for any games this seasons. Any games he has missed were due to injury.

    Yeah, I'm not sure about the whole Pop critique concerning Gay. The game was still relatively in doubt and it made more sense to keep Gay in than LMA who was already playing a lot of minutes. I like to call out Pop as much as anyone but I can't really blame him for Gay's injury.
    Even in retrospect a day later, I still agree with my original critique, tbh.

    1) Pop has made it a point to play Gay less than 30 minutes, even in tightly contested games. , against the Sixers, Gay played less than he did against the Pelicans. The only games Gay has played more than 30 minutes are tight games against good teams (for the most part, tbh).

    2) The game was over. Six minutes to go against a depleted Pelicans team down 20 points? Yeah, there was no way they were coming back. Not really comparable to a fully healthy, explosive Sixers team being down eight points. Maybe that was Pop's thinking too but I disagree.

    3) There was a timeout a couple minutes prior to Gay getting hurt and Pop subbed in Walker for Forbes. I was wondering at that point why Walker came in for Forbes and not Gay. If Pop was worried about the 20-point lead, just keep Forbes out there. He can soak up minutes and could help hold off the s of a team that was New Orleans.

    Gay is such a vital part of this team (some posters have said he's the most irreplaceable part -- and that's difficult to disagree with) and he's so injury prone that Pop has to be careful about playing him only needed minutes. He's been really good at that this year until last night. Maybe DeRozan being out and the Sixers game scared him but, IMO, it was the wrong move.

    I think your grade on Lonnie was optimistic or at least somewhat misleading.
    Fair.

    I based my expectations off of what I expected from him from watching him play in the G-League. He's been pretty meh on that level given he has a speed and athleticism advantage on everyone and the paint defense is exceptionally weak compared to the NBA.

    I gave him a good grade but I don't think he's ready for prime time. I'm not even sure that he's healthy (he doesn't look 100% confident on his leg when I watch him in the G-League). But as a spark when the Spurs are trudging along against a cellar dweller, Walker can play that role already. (Whether having him play that role is better than him getting minutes in the G-League is another question.)

    I thought his rebounding was okay. Like it's nice that he got that many, but he didn't attack the glass or anything.
    Pretty true. I don't remember one that was overly contested.

    That said, I thought it was notable that he pulled down five in limited time considering he's been pretty pathetic in that category in the G-League, especially factoring in his athletic advantages.

    Walker doesn't need to be a good rebounder to make it in the NBA but it'd be nice if he rebounded better Bryn Forbes, tbh.

    Lonnie Walker was getting beat by his man a couple of times so I wouldnt put a grade so high for him
    Walker was a turnstile defensively.
    When Walker was defending weak side and a big set a screen on him-everytime he got rubbed off on the screen and his man stolled into the paint. LW needs to see that coming and do better-that is really fundamental.
    I mean, I agree. But seeing Walker in the G-League where his defense makes Marco Belinelli look like Bruce Bowen had me expecting next to nothing from him at that end. He flashed some ability and seemed to know what to do team-defense-wise ... and that was enough for me to be impressed. He's terrible at getting around screens, true, but it's looking like his horrendous G-League defense is mostly a case of either being cautious about his knee or being disinterested. I suspected it wat probably a mental issue rather than a physical issue but I'm glad we got some small sample size confirmation.

    QP looks like a dying deer when he runs. Like I'm always amazed when he does something positive bc he just looks like the most unathletic guy I've ever seen. Just awkward. But I'm glad he did well lol
    Ha, true. Give him credit though, it's a minor miracle he's in the league at this point after what he's gone through physically and the fact that he's on the wrong side of 30.

    Pondexter seems to be a great locker room guy, doesn't complain about his role, is at a position of need and stays ready. It'd be more exciting to have a legit prospect at his spot in the roster but Pondexter is fine for a 12th man all things considered. Trading him out for a prospect that needed minutes would probably do more harm than good unless the hypothetical player was better than a player already in the rotation -- and such players are unlikely to be found on the waiver wire.

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    As I mentioned in the trade thread, Pau played well, but the game showed why he's not all that valuable. It's easier than ever to find a center who can score. Gasol adds a whole bunch of intangibles, but he just can't do enough to play with Aldridge against most teams, and I've yet to see him and Poeltl both play well in the same game. The rotation just doesn't seem big enough for three centers. It's gonna be hard for Pau to get his consistent minutes, on the Spurs or anywhere else. He's not a bad player, but he's an awkward one in today's league, and with that contract, that's not a good thing.
    How can you, of all people, say that Pau isn't valuable when you think he's a good offensive center and you also think he's a better defensive player than our most impactful defensive player: Poeltl?

    In your opinion, Gasol= good on offense, good on defense but still not valuable?

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    How can you, of all people, say that Pau isn't valuable when you think he's a good offensive center and you also think he's a better defensive player than our most impactful defensive player: Poeltl?

    In your opinion, Gasol= good on offense, good on defense but still not valuable?
    Because homeboy makes a ton of money. Poe doesn't.

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    Because homeboy makes a ton of money. Poe doesn't.
    Well, then say that. Don't talk about his game as if that were the reason he isn't valuable.

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    Because homeboy makes a ton of money. Poe doesn't.
    Well, then say that. Don't talk about his game as if that were the reason he isn't valuable.

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    Well, then say that. Don't talk about his game as if that were the reason he isn't valuable.
    Why not?

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    Because you will confuse people and I doubt your goal is to be confusing.

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    Because you will confuse people and I doubt your goal is to be confusing.
    Nope, because I already explained what I meant.

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    Nope, because I already explained what I meant.
    After somebody quoted you thinking you meant something else. Just saying it would have been better being clearer from the start, tbh.

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    After somebody quoted you thinking you meant something else. Just saying it would have been better being clearer from the start, tbh.
    Huh? The first time I said it, I was very direct. You caught it the second time around. , you even saw the first mention, but you were so hung up on me saying Pau was better than Poeltl that you probably didn't actually read anything else.

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    Huh? The first time I said it, I was very direct. You caught it the second time around. , you even saw the first mention, but you were so hung up on me saying Pau was better than Poeltl that you probably didn't actually read anything else.
    Dude, it doesn't matter what I got or didn't get in other threads. On this thread you wrote a post saying Pau isn't valuable because of what he does on the floor is supposedly easy to find, you didn't mention anything about his contract.

    If you wanted people to get 100% what you were trying to say, you should have wrote something that mentioned his contract. E.G: "Pau isn't valuable because there are a lot of other players that can bring what Pau brings for a lot less money".

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    Dude, it doesn't matter what I got or didn't get in other threads. On this thread you wrote a post saying Pau isn't valuable because of what he does on the floor is supposedly easy to find, you didn't mention anything about his contract.

    If you wanted people to get 100% what you were trying to say, you should have wrote something that mentioned his contract. E.G: "Pau isn't valuable because there are a lot of other players that can bring what Pau brings for a lot less money".
    You're just mad because you got confused. I referenced that previous post and everything.

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    You're just mad because you got confused. I referenced that previous post and everything.
    I'm not mad. I'm just giving you tips to be clearer. You can take them or not, tbh.

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