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    First off, I already answered that I'm not for Trump doing it. So, at your sociopath truth.

    Second off, the "crisis" was "overblown" or "made up" in 08 when Salty was going against Obama. In 19, it's cause for doubling the debt.

    This decade's sociopath.
    made up

    Is there a crisis on the border right now?

    Yes or no.

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    made up

    Is there a crisis on the border right now?

    Yes or no.
    There's a crisis of govt. that the border problem exacerbates.

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    There's a crisis of govt. that the border problem exacerbates.
    Is there a crisis at the border?

    Just answer yes or no.

    It's very simple unless you're terrified.

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    Is there a crisis at the border?

    Just answer yes or no.

    It's very simple unless you're terrified.
    I'm very pleased with Trump's problem solving of the major problems at the border regardless of what tag you want to put on it.

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    Liberals love communism but hate Russians. Odd

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    I'm very pleased with Trump's problem solving of the major problems at the border regardless of what tag you want to put on it.
    You admit there is no crisis there

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    Is there a crisis at the border?

    Just answer yes or no.

    It's very simple unless you're terrified.
    Of course not. A situation doesn't decline for over a decade and then all of a sudden become a crisis. It's political theater for re s.

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    At that subtle justification of Obama doubling the debt.
    You do realize he inherited a $1.4 trillion dollar deficit right? He cut it by roughly 2/3 by the end of his presidency. Trump is adding to it. Why do you people forget to take into account the Great Recession, the deficit O inherited, the Bush tax cuts becoming permanent, increased Social Secutiy/Medicare spending as the Baby Boomers retired, Congress's budgets, along with the Afghanistan and Iraq wars? The debt did double under O, but the deficit decreased and his initiatives only cost about a trillion. I don't see you incessantly bringing up how Reagan and the Bush's blew up our deficit/debt, nor do I see you attack Trump for doing the same, so why do you persist in attacking Obama?

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    goddamn, Fox and its viewers are ing stupid, ignorant s

    VZ = Democratic policies?

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    You do realize he inherited a $1.4 trillion dollar deficit right? He cut it by roughly 2/3 by the end of his presidency. Trump is adding to it. Why do you people forget to take into account the Great Recession, the deficit O inherited, the Bush tax cuts becoming permanent, increased Social Secutiy/Medicare spending as the Baby Boomers retired, Congress's budgets, along with the Afghanistan and Iraq wars? The debt did double under O, but the deficit decreased and his initiatives only cost about a trillion. I don't see you incessantly bringing up how Reagan and the Bush's blew up our deficit/debt, nor do I see you attack Trump for doing the same, so why do you persist in attacking Obama?
    OMG! How did a community organizer do all that!

    @ your talking points.

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    OMG! How did a community organizer do all that!

    @ your talking points.
    So you are a giant deficit is no problem red team member.

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    OMG! How did a community organizer do all that!

    @ your talking points.
    Says the re who tends to parrot partisan hacks, yet can't refute much of anything.

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    OMG! How did a community organizer do all that!
    I mean he was a cons utional law professor. This just called for some good judgment and knowledge. He's smarter than you at any rate.

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    I mean he was a cons utional law professor. This just called for some good judgment and knowledge. He's smarter than you at any rate.
    No.

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    alan derpowitz is on the case

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    A high marginal tax rate isn't "socialism." If so, the idyllic 1950s that Trump's base wants to return to were socialism personified.

    The core idea of socialism is to make the "means of production" community owned. In the modern day, this would translate into the government nationalizing Apple, Amazon, and every privately held corporation and thus making them a "free" public service for all. No one is proposing that. Socializing a service, like health care or education, doesn't equal "socialism." We have plenty of socialized services already, from police, fire, military, public school, infrastructure (roads), etc. For some reason, the right doesn't cry "socialism" when it comes to the military "protecting our freedoms" that is financed through tax dollars, but propose a financing of universal health care through the same means, and it's an idea straight out of Communist Russia. Fun fact: Eisenhower proposed a universal health care plan. Guess he was a Lenin loving Red, right?

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    A high marginal tax rate isn't "socialism." If so, the idyllic 1950s that Trump's base wants to return to were socialism personified.
    BUT TEH BLACKS COULDN'T DRINK FROM OUR WATER FOUNTAINS BACK THEN I'D PAY DOUBLE TAXES FOR DET TEH GOOD OL DAYS

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    A high marginal tax rate isn't "socialism." If so, the idyllic 1950s that Trump's base wants to return to were socialism personified.

    The core idea of socialism is to make the "means of production" community owned. In the modern day, this would translate into the government nationalizing Apple, Amazon, and every privately held corporation and thus making them a "free" public service for all. No one is proposing that. Socializing a service, like health care or education, doesn't equal "socialism." We have plenty of socialized services already, from police, fire, military, public school, infrastructure (roads), etc. For some reason, the right doesn't cry "socialism" when it comes to the military "protecting our freedoms" that is financed through tax dollars, but propose a financing of universal health care through the same means, and it's an idea straight out of Communist Russia. Fun fact: Eisenhower proposed a universal health care plan. Guess he was a Lenin loving Red, right?
    That's communism.

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    That's communism.
    I'm assuming the government still exists as the primary controller and distributor of the means. As we know, communism is stateless.

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    I'm assuming the government still exists as the primary controller and distributor of the means. As we know, communism is stateless.
    Under communism ‘people’ share ownership of everything, with ‘people’ being an euphemism for government (since they’re elected by the people, get it?). That’s certainly a sham. Socialism is more of a middle ground: it doesn’t require government actually outright owning anything, but can and does impose certain heavy handed regulation in order to protect what’s known as a social contract. A lot of times, those rules go against capitalism or a free market.

    Healthcare worldwide is a good example of that. Things like price controls on medicine and services are decidedly counter to capitalism or a free market, but they exist in order to fulfill a social contract (ie: guarantee affordable access to healthcare, no matter what’s your socioeconomic condition). It should be noted too that the US also have such arrangements in certain areas.

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    Under communism ‘people’ share ownership of everything, with ‘people’ being an euphemism for government (since they’re elected by the people, get it?). That’s certainly a sham. Socialism is more of a middle ground: it doesn’t require government actually outright owning anything, but can and does impose certain heavy handed regulation in order to protect what’s known as a social contract. A lot of times, those rules go against capitalism or a free market.

    Healthcare worldwide is a good example of that. Things like price controls on medicine and services are decidedly counter to capitalism or a free market, but they exist in order to fulfill a social contract (ie: guarantee affordable access to healthcare, no matter what’s your socioeconomic condition). It should be noted too that the US also have such arrangements in certain areas.
    Marx's end goal for communism was a completely stateless society, where social hierarchies wouldn't exist. A social hierarchy would naturally form with the implementation of government. Indeed a sham, since any group of people doing anything, whether cooking in the kitchen to running a company, would naturally stratify into a hierarchy anyway, even without the existence of government. Marx thought socialism to be a step on the way to pure communism. I think your examples would be defined more as social democracy than socialism, in the Marxian tradition, as a key tenet of socialism is public ownership of the means of production.

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    Liberals love communism but hate Russians. Odd
    Trump loves communism and loves the Russians.

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    Border Patrol is apprehending 60,000 illegal entries a month. That's enough to fill the Alamodome every month that we then catch and release. Sure sounds like we have a problem.

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    Border Patrol is apprehending 60,000 illegal entries a month. That's enough to fill the Alamodome every month that we then catch and release. Sure sounds like we have a problem.
    yep

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