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    The first 9 are definitively better, but either way, saying he's "easily a top 10 player" is overstating it.

    Don't let a select few players (with rules tailored towards their being able to thrive) being able to exploit Gobert in a playoff series fool you. He's the most impactful defender in the league and despite being unable to create his own shot, he's still a good offensive player because of his elite screening, vertical spacing and finishing ability.

    Towns has similar offensive impact to Griffin, with better defensive impact.
    Ok I'll agree with overstated but the statement can easily be considered a top 10 player works. Lots of parity and there really is no definitive list of top individual players when it is a team game. This year Griffin is balling out. He is entering his true prime despite his injury history. He needs to be on a contender.

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    Going back to the Rozier rumor : how does the AD news impact those discussions?

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    The wanting-out cancer is spreading, god damn.

    If I were the owners, I would tell the players league to go themselves, all contracts are one year only, with some injury kickers.
    One player want out?!- it's cancer lol.

    New Orleans hasn't exactly helped their cause with poor decisions for years that helped get them in this predicament.

    League is collectively bargained so the owners can't the players over. Every situation is different and it's hard for me to blame AD entirely for this situation.

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    The first 9 are definitively better, but either way, saying he's "easily a top 10 player" is overstating it.

    Don't let a select few players (with rules tailored towards their being able to thrive) being able to exploit Gobert in a playoff series fool you. He's the most impactful defender in the league and despite being unable to create his own shot, he's still a good offensive player because of his elite screening, vertical spacing and finishing ability.

    Towns has similar offensive impact to Griffin, with better defensive impact.
    In my school yard I definitely pick Blake over Lillard.

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    Similarly talent levels. One is younger and his talents are much better suited for today's NBA (Blake Griffin). Blake is easily too 10 player in today's NBA. LMA sits outside largely because he can't really pass or dribble.
    Younger and has spent more time in the shop than an AMC Gremlin.

    Not a top 10 player imho.

    LA's assist average this year: 2.6 vs. 5.2 for Griffin Not exactly earth shattering, especially when Pop isn't asking for LA to fill that role. LA could easily average 4-5 if they worked more inside out.

    LA's stats: SUMMARY Griffin's stats: SUMMARY
    2018-19 2018-19

    G G
    51 46

    PTS PTS
    20.9 26.5

    TRB TRB
    8.6 8.1

    AST AST
    2.6 5.2

    FG% FG%
    51.3 48.2

    FG3% FG3%
    21.1 36.5

    FT% FT%
    84.5 76.0

    eFG% eFG%
    51.6 54.7

    PER PER
    22.6 22.0

    WS WS
    5.4 5.3

    BLKPG BLKPG
    1.5 .5

    MPG MPG
    32.5 36.3

    LA is and has been throughout his career a workhorse, and LA will retain his game at an older age.

    If Griffin didn't have the injury situation in his past, it wouldn't be a big risk, but the fact that is has would scare me away.

    Honestly, Unless Durant goes down, it won't really matter. I feel like the Spurs can match GS pretty well outside of Durant.

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    One player want out?!- it's cancer lol.

    New Orleans hasn't exactly helped their cause with poor decisions for years that helped get them in this predicament.

    League is collectively bargained so the owners can't the players over. Every situation is different and it's hard for me to blame AD entirely for this situation.
    I think the talent around AD has been up-and-down, but the coaching has been consistently poor. I think with Pop AD would be a terror and a winner.

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    I thought Anthony Davis was the next Tim Duncan when he came out of Kentucky.

    But after missing the playoffs 4 times in 6 years, that ship has sailed . . .
    Not according to NBA hack writers across the nation. AD probably already #12 all-time on their lists.

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    I thought Anthony Davis was the next Tim Duncan when he came out of Kentucky.

    But after missing the playoffs 4 times in 6 years, that ship has sailed . . .
    Not according to NBA hack writers across the nation. AD probably already #12 all-time on their lists.

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    One player want out?!- it's cancer lol.

    New Orleans hasn't exactly helped their cause with poor decisions for years that helped get them in this predicament.

    League is collectively bargained so the owners can't the players over. Every situation is different and it's hard for me to blame AD entirely for this situation.
    First Number 2, now AD, and rumors of Blake doing the same. Melo did this to Denver too.

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    First Number 2, now AD, and rumors of Blake doing the same. Melo did this to Denver too.
    This isn't a new thing, it's just more prominent due to social media and ESPN's transition into a gossip outlet(rather than journalism)..the major change is that the players today realize that they have most of the power, I suppose..

    NBA players asking for trades, getting coaches fired and leaving small markets for big teams has been happening for over 40 years..in a sport where an individual player can change everything, it's not surprising that stars have massive egos and want to dictate everything..

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    This isn't a new thing, it's just more prominent due to social media and ESPN's transition into a gossip outlet(rather than journalism)..the major change is that the players today realize that they have most of the power, I suppose..

    NBA players asking for trades, getting coaches fired and leaving small markets for big teams has been happening for over 40 years..in a sport where an individual player can change everything, it's not surprising that stars have massive egos and want to dictate everything..
    Fair points. Social media makes everything so much more visible. We don't have to rely on sports radio and TV to filter all the news.

    Must suck to be a small market owner, knowing that you have to kowtow to the big markets to make more money. If the small market owners cared so much about pure compe ive balance they would have voted for more parity-enhancing changes.

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    I swear a defensive wing would do wonders for this team

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    Fair points. Social media makes everything so much more visible. We don't have to rely on sports radio and TV to filter all the news.

    Must suck to be a small market owner, knowing that you have to kowtow to the big markets to make more money. If the small market owners cared so much about pure compe ive balance they would have voted for more parity-enhancing changes.
    I feel for small market teams, but only when there's nothing that they could have done..Orlando losing Shaq to the Lakers, the Bucks losing Kareem to the Lakers, Raptors losing Bosh to the LeBron/Wade Heat, etc..

    I feel the opposite way about incompetent small market teams like LeBron's Cavs, the current Pelicans, KG's Wolves, etc..

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    First Number 2, now AD, and rumors of Blake doing the same. Melo did this to Denver too.
    -Melo? That was like 8 years ago, hard to use that as a part of a trend.

    -Blake didn't want to be a Piston in the first place after re-signing with the Clips, plus that team's roster is a wasteland. Hard to blame him if he does tbh. That team is going nowhere.

    -Hard to blame AD for wanting out of a poor situation.

    -Kawhi, Kawhi tbh.

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    Kenneth Faried with 19pts, 11 rebounds; 2 blocks...i knew he wasnt done another spurs miss

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    Kenneth Faried with 19pts, 11 rebounds; 2 blocks...i knew he wasnt done another spurs miss
    I’m sure the spurs looked into adding him but Houston unfortunately was more appealing, more playing time and playing with 2 elite guards

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    I feel for small market teams, but only when there's nothing that they could have done..Orlando losing Shaq to the Lakers, the Bucks losing Kareem to the Lakers, Raptors losing Bosh to the LeBron/Wade Heat, etc..

    I feel the opposite way about incompetent small market teams like LeBron's Cavs, the current Pelicans, KG's Wolves, etc..
    -Dem's da breaks, though. Players have a right to chose where they want to play, that is a key part of the NBA CBA. The league loves it because star players change teams and it creates interest and buzz and makes the league relevant for 10 months a year. Star players aren't likely to love playing in Milwaukee when they could play in L.A. or NY.
    -Agree on incompetent small market teams though. AD's Pels are definitely among them too.

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    Kenneth Faried with 19pts, 11 rebounds; 2 blocks...i knew he wasnt done another spurs miss
    D'antoni players stats will always get inflated, tbh.

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    Kenneth Faried with 19pts, 11 rebounds; 2 blocks...i knew he wasnt done another spurs miss
    His defense would fit in well with the current Spurs

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    Add Kyrie, Paul George and Eric Bledsoe to whatever player list y'all are compiling. I'm sure there's more if you do a little recollecting. It's been a player's league since Bron's LeDecision, don't act like this trend is a total surprise and none of you veteran posters did not see it coming.

    Tell you one thing, the next generation of GMs and Presidents won't be oh-poor-me-ing at the new landscape if they want to keep their jobs and keep their respective franchises compe ive. They will be forming bonds with agents of superstars more aggressively than ever. The tripod of talent acquisition will still be scouting, development and retention, the rise of the player's bargaining power simply made the game more intense for that last part.

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    Add Kyrie, Paul George and Eric Bledsoe to whatever player list y'all are compiling. I'm sure there's more if you do a little recollecting. It's been a player's league since Bron's LeDecision, don't act like this trend is a total surprise and none of you veteran posters did not see it coming.

    Tell you one thing, the next generation of GMs and Presidents won't be oh-poor-me-ing at the new landscape if they want to keep their jobs and keep their respective franchises compe ive. They will be forming bonds with agents of superstars more aggressively than ever. The tripod of talent acquisition will still be scouting, development and retention, the rise of the player's bargaining power simply made the game more intense for that last part.
    To me it's different when a guy says "I want to be traded" to "I want to be traded to X place". With the first example you are at least not putting a hinder on what your current team can get for you.

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    To me it's different when a guy says "I want to be traded" to "I want to be traded to X place". With the first example you are at least not putting a hinder on what your current team can get for you.
    I agree in theory, but even if Davis's camp didn't make it public, do you actually think his agent isn't out there behind the scenes telling teams that Davis won't sign there?

    The front office people around the league always know IMO, we just hear about it now due to Woj, Windhorst, etc..

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    To me it's different when a guy says "I want to be traded" to "I want to be traded to X place". With the first example you are at least not putting a hinder on what your current team can get for you.
    Fair. Though a belated gradient to take a stand on when the franchise has already lost a talent resource it once possessed. The more systematic response would be building a more robust, layered network of relationships that keeps the talent in place.

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    AD’s agent saying he wants a compe ive team then says the Knicks will work.

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    Kenneth Faried with 19pts, 11 rebounds; 2 blocks...i knew he wasnt done another spurs miss

    But they lost at home to New Orleans-- without Anthony Davis-- and let Jahlil Okafor go off for 27 points & 12 rebounds.

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