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    well a pathway to legal status would imply legal wages, tbh
    Even if the wages were raised to legal levels, immigrants would still be the ones showing up. Here in our California, they had problems finding fruit pickers even when the companies were offering a good wage with benefits. https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-...s-immigration/

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    No one should give a penny to the illegals
    If they did they would not come
    Giving them free access to hospitals are wrong
    Stop the hand outs and stop employing them !
    Your president employs them

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    They should be criminally prosecuted.
    It's always funny to read the cognitive dissonance with this from conservatives. "Build the wall! Deport all illegals!"

    How about we start prosecuting businesses that hire them? Reduce the incentive for them to come here, they won't come here. Slap on the wrists fines won't do .

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    Why not make the path to citizenship easier for working and behaved illegal immigrants? The small trimming business probably can't afford to pay American workers the wages they want (or even find willing Americans to do the work. Do you really think a modern teenager raised on nothing but technology who's never had a job is going to want to trim trees in the sun for 8 hours, even as a summer job?) Is the reduced labor cost not a win-win all around?
    I am all for a pathway to citizenship. Register for a work visa, get a job, pay taxes, learn English, keep out of trouble for ten years and I would gladly welcome them as a citizen.

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    I am all for a pathway to citizenship. Register for a work visa, get a job, pay taxes, learn English, keep out of trouble for ten years and I would gladly welcome them as a citizen.
    Why not replicate the Ellis Island process? One of the problems with the modern path to citizenship is how convoluted, bureaucratic, and expensive the process is.

    https://www.history.com/news/immigra...rocessing-time

    What irritates me about the rhetoric your typical Fox News talking heads spew on this matter is the hypocrisy. So it was okay for their ancestors displaced by a potato famine, war, persecution or whatever to emigrate here, but not okay for modern immigrants? I know the answer is: Well, my ancestors did it legally, but again, the process wasn't as difficult as it is today. Some poor-as- Honduran with a family to feed can't wait around for the red tape to clear and doesn't have the income to hire the likes of immigration lawyers.

    Some other counterpoints are the supposed increase in crime they bring (disproven: http://www.ronunz.org/2010/01/26/the...ispanic-crime/) and their straining of social services. I do agree social services shouldn't be offered until full citizenship is acquired. Furthermore, when all those Irish and Italians were coming over here on boats, the nativists were saying the exact same things.

    I think the immigration problem has been needlessly overcomplicated by both sides in order to score political points. We were fine for a century-and-a-half with a relatively loose immigration policy. Your plan sounds fine if that granting of a work visa isn't a cluster .

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    Why not replicate the Ellis Island process? One of the problems with the modern path to citizenship is how convoluted, bureaucratic, and expensive the process is.

    https://www.history.com/news/immigra...rocessing-time

    What irritates me about the rhetoric your typical Fox News talking heads spew on this matter is the hypocrisy. So it was okay for their ancestors displaced by a potato famine, war, persecution or whatever to emigrate here, but not okay for modern immigrants? I know the answer is: Well, my ancestors did it legally, but again, the process wasn't as difficult as it is today. Some poor-as- Honduran with a family to feed can't wait around for the red tape to clear and doesn't have the income to hire the likes of immigration lawyers.

    Some other counterpoints are the supposed increase in crime they bring (disproven: http://www.ronunz.org/2010/01/26/the...ispanic-crime/) and their straining of social services. I do agree social services shouldn't be offered until full citizenship is acquired. Furthermore, when all those Irish and Italians were coming over here on boats, the nativists were saying the exact same things.

    I think the immigration problem has been needlessly overcomplicated by both sides in order to score political points. We were fine for a century-and-a-half with a relatively loose immigration policy. Your plan sounds fine if that granting of a work visa isn't a cluster .
    The Ellis Island process worked fine when there wasn't a multi level social safety net. We will let you in but you are responsible for taking care of yourself and your family. The government isn't going to do it.

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    comparing Venezuela policies with democrats social policies...

    dear god, how one can be so ing stupid ?

    In almost every country in the world, US democrats would be considered at the right and some times at the far right... I know I should not pay attention to an imbecile like ducks but his stupidity still triggers me like the rest of ST red necks crew.. dear god go travel or something

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    The Ellis Island process worked fine when there wasn't a multi level social safety net. We will let you in but you are responsible for taking care of yourself and your family. The government isn't going to do it.
    I don't have an objection to that.

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    Excellent ideas:
    the creation of a new Office of Drug Manufacturing, which would give the federal government power to manufacture generic drugs. Other Democrats have called for price controls on drugs.

    put government in control, either directly or indirectly, of most of the energy industry and mandate everyone use renewable energy sources like wind and solar by 2030.

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    Corporate welfare for the MIC and extraction of resources around the planet is more important than
    well-being of Americans

    The Endless Cost of Washington’s Lost Wars


    American forces are engaged in an open-ended war on terror in 80 countries,

    costing nearly $6 trillion since 2001


    https://www.thenation.com/article/wa...tary-pentagon/

    ... and none of the BigCorp's wars are making America safer, but exactly the opposite.


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    Schultz Walks Back Denunciation Of Medicare For All As ‘Un-American’

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/s...+%28TPMNews%29

    What he really meant was that MfA is unCapitalistic.

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    Trump Threatens Military Action in Venezuela: A Closer Look

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PZw-11rmyY

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