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    Why do "we" deserve a larger chunk of her money?
    Because it's morally right. I think "you" deserve a larger chunk of my money than a minimum wage fast food worker since I can afford to pay more in taxes than them. Why is this idea so controversial? I get it, bootstrap Americans and all that, we're a nation that's self-reliant and doesn't whine, but as long as like layoffs of workers when companies are posting record profits is happening in the "greatest in country in the world," I think the whining is justified.

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    Yes, there are people luckier than you.

    There are also people who work harder and a better than you.

    Don't be bitter

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    Winning the House must have gone to people's heads - emboldened these ideas. That NY abortion bill, this VA governor and now this - 100% over 1.5 million or 70% over 1 million - smh.

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    I give to charities, yes. But you're using the false equivalency tactic so common in the "wealth distribution" debate, that a billionaire giving up 70% of his income is the same thing as an average paycheck-to-paycheck living Joe giving up 70% of his income. Does a billionaire who has his net worth reduced down to "only" 300 million suffer any sort of lifestyle change? Not all. Does someone making 70K per year suffer a lifestyle change if they were taxed 70%? Indeed. You basically put their comfortable middle class life below the poverty line. I think many of us Average Joes would love to give more to those "billions of people out there," but how can you expect a worker at Taco Bell to give even 10% of their earnings to the "billions out there?" when they likely need every dime to make ends meet?

    Here's an analogy. I don't expect nor demand the minimum wage employee to give to charity even if I do. I have the extra money to do so where they might not. On the same token, a billionaire or those defending billionaires (like yourself) shouldn't expect the middle class to match the percentage of income they give up in taxes, charity, etc.
    a 10% tax rate with an 18,000 standard deduction gives Taco Bell kids a tax-free job and the average middle class guy making 70,000 a livable take-home-pay of 63,000. (San Francisco Bay Area not withstanding. 70K in SF puts you on par with a chicken butcher in frickin' Malaysia.)

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    Because it's morally right. I think "you" deserve a larger chunk of my money than a minimum wage fast food worker since I can afford to pay more in taxes than them. Why is this idea so controversial? I get it, bootstrap Americans and all that, we're a nation that's self-reliant and doesn't whine, but as long as like layoffs of workers when companies are posting record profits is happening in the "greatest in country in the world," I think the whining is justified.
    We already have a progressive tax system.

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    Because it's morally right. I think "you" deserve a larger chunk of my money than a minimum wage fast food worker since I can afford to pay more in taxes than them. Why is this idea so controversial? I get it, bootstrap Americans and all that, we're a nation that's self-reliant and doesn't whine, but as long as like layoffs of workers when companies are posting record profits is happening in the "greatest in country in the world," I think the whining is justified.
    Where is your morality about the NY abortion bill or what that VA governor said?

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    a 10% tax rate with an 18,000 standard deduction gives Taco Bell kids a tax-free job and the average middle class guy making 70,000 a livable take-home-pay of 63,000. (San Francisco Bay Area not withstanding. 70K in SF puts you on par with a chicken butcher in frickin' Malaysia.)
    Blue Mecca, SF problems.

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    Because it's morally right. I think "you" deserve a larger chunk of my money than a minimum wage fast food worker since I can afford to pay more in taxes than them. Why is this idea so controversial? I get it, bootstrap Americans and all that, we're a nation that's self-reliant and doesn't whine, but as long as like layoffs of workers when companies are posting record profits is happening in the "greatest in country in the world," I think the whining is justified.
    I agree

    And the medical profiteering industry pisses me off by far the most

    The big American insurance company execs making $20M a year salary each + big bonuses + big money off investments, while the people on the floor working for them are lucky to make $45K a year

    de able

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    Medical profiteering? OMG

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    In comparison to the rest of the world, that 70k per year is like that 1.5 million per year OP wants taxed at 100%. You (I don't mean YOU personally) don't think so because you THINK you are struggling to make ends - but you have internet connection, computer, I'm guessing some phone, a standard of living which is like being a millionaire elsewhere. What I described earlier relative to the rest of the world is EXACTLY the same as the 1.5 million to a "struggling" average US joe. Your reaction to my suggestion that you give away y% of your income to "even" it up is exactly how someone who makes 1.5 million would react too.
    I didn't react like a billionaire would react, though. I clearly said that I should be expected to give up more than the Taco Bell worker since I have more disposable income to allow that. Billionaires (and their defenders) often propose a flat tax or some other nonsense using the "relative" argument. If I expect myself to give up more than the Taco Bell worker, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect those with more wealth than me to give up more than I do. Why is this bad?

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    Blue Mecca, SF problems.
    also, I did my math wrong. The guy making 70,000 with an 18K standard deduction and a 10% tax would have 64,800 left over, not 63K. Factor in Medicare and SS (the latter of which should also go the way of the dodo) would bring it down to around 63K.

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    It's billionaires vs taco bell workers, y'all.


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    We already have a progressive tax system.
    Cuts off at 39%, whether you make 600K per year or 60 million per year. Not progressive enough.

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    Medical profiteering? OMG
    Yep, it's a totally right thing to do to raise a drug price by 400% when a compe or drops out. Fun fact: A lot of that price gouging profiteering is being funded on your dime. We pay near the most per capita in tax dollars for health care, so when a Medicare recipient gets a 100K bill for a 2 hour hospital stay (which is price gouging/profiteering), you're paying for it. Should make you angry.

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    also, I did my math wrong. The guy making 70,000 with an 18K standard deduction and a 10% tax would have 64,800 left over, not 63K. Factor in Medicare and SS (the latter of which should also go the way of the dodo) would bring it down to around 63K.
    SF is a ed up city. It's covered with feces and hardly anyone can afford to live there.

    Pelosi is your rep, if you have any complaints.

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    Cuts off at 39%, whether you make 600K per year or 60 million per year. Not progressive enough.
    Agreed. What does the dude want, a flat tax with no standard deduction? So the poor kid making $15K a year as a full time dishwasher at Cheesecake Factory to make ends meet can pay the same 10% as the pampered child of a celebrity who never had to lift a finger? So we can drive the nation trillions further into debt? We'd have to steal from something in that case... and the GOP would hate to see it be the military, and the older conservatives also don't want Medicare cut, but there isn't a whole lot left...

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    Yep, it's a totally right thing to do to raise a drug price by 400% when a compe or drops out. Fun fact: A lot of that price gouging profiteering is being funded on your dime. We pay near the most per capita in tax dollars for health care, so when a Medicare recipient gets a 100K bill for a 2 hour hospital stay (which is price gouging/profiteering), you're paying for it. Should make you angry.
    The drugs are low hanging fruit. Don't fool yourself, the surgeons are the biggest culprit. My mom's heart doctor charges $250K per pacemaker surgery and he does 3-4 operations per day and only works 3 days per week. That's well over a ing million a week. That greedy pig should be in jail, not in the hospital... but the problem is, the compe ion is all the same these days in this ed up country...

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    No one earns anything. Just genetics and luck.
    Life isn't fair.
    Why do "we" deserve a larger chunk of her money?


    Yes, there are people luckier than you.

    There are also people who work harder and a better than you.

    Don't be bitter
    It's billionaires vs taco bell workers, y'all.


    You're embarrassing yourself. MP is giving you way better responses than you deserve and you're going into derp mode. Try harder. Especially if you're going to mock high schoolers for their debate skills in another thread on the same night.

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    Where is your morality about the NY abortion bill or what that VA governor said?
    I don't know the fine print of the bill, but I do support late term abortion if: The mother's is unlikely to survive to the birth, the fetus is 100% unlikely to survive the birth. The latter is a gray area, though, since it's possible, even if it's a million to one shot, the fetus could perhaps survive. The moral decision in the former should be up to the mother and father in deciding whose life is more valuable: mother or child. I can't determine that, obviously.

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    SF is a ed up city. It's covered with feces and hardly anyone can afford to live there.

    Pelosi is your rep, if you have any complaints.
    SF is disgusting. But Silicon Valley is pretty nice. It's all expensive as , though.

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    I don't know the fine print of the bill, but I do support late term abortion if: The mother's is unlikely to survive to the birth, the fetus is 100% unlikely to survive the birth. The latter is a gray area, though, since it's possible, even if it's a million to one shot, the fetus could perhaps survive. The moral decision in the former should be up to the mother and father in deciding whose life is more valuable: mother or child. I can't determine that, obviously.
    You've got to go mother, 100% of the time. It's not even a decision at all. You go with the established citizen every time. Whose f'd up idea was it to even consider that a decision?

    The far right pretends to care so much about unborn babies, but they don't give a rat's ass about people when they are actually alive... hence why the U.S. ranks 41st in life expectancy, and falling a little every year


    #41stPlaceYEAH!

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    SF is disgusting. But Silicon Valley is pretty nice. It's all expensive as , though.
    The most progressive cities have the worst wealth inequality.

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    The most progressive cities have the worst wealth inequality.
    And ironically the most capitalism. You think that Facebook, Google, Twitter, Instagram, and all the rest aren't laughing all the way to the bank...? Hah!

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    You're embarrassing yourself. MP is giving you way better responses than you deserve and you're going into derp mode. Try harder. Especially if you're going to mock high schoolers for their debate skills in another thread on the same night.
    I understand Darrin's at ude. Red blooded Americans hate "whiners" and have mythologized self-determination and independence to unrealistic levels, so no prideful Americans want to come off as "needing" a billionaire's money or any other kind of "hand out" in order to succeed. Ironic thing is that many of these billionaires got handouts from mommy and daddy, the government, or in the case of athletes, actors, etc won the genetic lottery (a handout by nature). And maybe people like Darrin have the economic freedom to reject such handouts. Great! But many don't have the luxury, and might not be able to "bootstrap" themselves into the American dream. Been proven that a person is likely is stay in the same economic class as the one their parents were in.

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    The most progressive cities have the worst wealth inequality.
    How about the most progressive countries?

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