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    Crisis is an intentionally loaded word. I consider it totally unacceptable.
    A wall isn't going to solve it.

    Do you consider it a national emergency?

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    Crisis is an intentionally loaded word. I consider it totally unacceptable.
    He needs his pigeonhole. Just call it a crisis so we can move on.

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    A wall isn't going to solve it.
    It's going to help security. Who cares about your false pretense of a zero sum solution.

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    He needs his pigeonhole. Just call it a crisis so we can move on.
    do you consider it a crisis?

    A national emergency?

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    I love the 'loaded' words they use. "Immoral";"Medieval".

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    "A wall isn't going to solve it....they will still use tunnels and ports of entry." (coastline, etc..)

    If you can funnel them to specific areas I think that would be a step in the right direction, but the Democrats are acting like this is supposed to be the "be all end all" solution. No, this is a step in the right direction and will save countless lives even those who dare to trek through the desert. Border agents not having to worry about getting carved up by cartel and policing the border without it feeling like the Wild West. These are good logical things that Democrats spit on to despite Trump.

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    A wall isn't going to solve it.

    Do you consider it a national emergency?
    The border patrol has requested a barrier from the valley to Falcon lake in Texas. I trust their professional judgement more than yours.

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    For the record I don't support a 2000 mile wall sea to sea and no one is advocating that so don't bother using that strawman.

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    This thread is getting off topic but one last thing that strangely echos my sentiments:



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    The border patrol has requested a barrier from the valley to Falcon lake in Texas. I trust their professional judgement more than yours.
    When did they request this?

    What kind of barrier?

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    Butt ing the rich is not likely to get you free care.

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    The last time any 3rd party candidate played spoiler was 2000, since then most people considering 3rd party can’t bring themselves to waste a vote once they get to the ballot box.

    I don’t think a billionaire oligarch campaigning on how we need to be nicer to rich people changes that phenomenon.
    I don't think Gore wins if there's no Nader

    Bush I definitely wins if there's no Perot.

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    Today's Darrin Google search

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    Today's Darrin Google search

    Search history should be bundled with each post. Good call

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    Search history should be bundled with each post. Good call
    you're the one who is afraid to say where you get your news and videos.

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    "A wall isn't going to solve it....they will still use tunnels and ports of entry." (coastline, etc..)

    If you can funnel them to specific areas I think that would be a step in the right direction, but the Democrats are acting like this is supposed to be the "be all end all" solution. No, this is a step in the right direction and will save countless lives even those who dare to trek through the desert. Border agents not having to worry about getting carved up by cartel and policing the border without it feeling like the Wild West. These are good logical things that Democrats spit on to despite Trump.
    Here's how you solve it. Model our needlessly convoluted modern immigration system after the one we had for, I don't know, a century and a half that seemed to work fine. I'm talking of the Ellis Island model.

    ...with a whopping 1,004,756 entering the United States in 1907 alone. And yet, even during these days of peak immigration, for most passengers hoping to establish new lives in the United States, the process of entering the country was over and done relatively quickly—in a matter of a few hours.
    https://www.history.com/news/immigra...rocessing-time

    Give potential immigrants a safe port(s) they know they can go to if they want to become US citizens. Process them quickly and painlessly and issue five year work visas to those that qualify (i.e. you got some gang tattoo on you, nope). Issue them the same probationary conditions as the DACA kids. Your work visa is valid only if you are employed and have no criminal record. If you've proven yourself to be a good citizen after the five year work visa has expired, you're granted full citizenship. One of the drivers of illegal immigration is because some poor Central American doesn't have the time nor money (hiring of immigration lawyers) to go through the "legal" process when he has a family to feed.

    Nearly every American is the child, grandchild, great-grandchild, etc of an immigrant. So I ask, why was it okay for our ancestors escaping famine, war, persecution to be basically "let in," but it's not okay for these people? "Well, cartels, crime, assimilation..." The nativists said the exact same things about the Irish, Italian, and Slavic immigrants back then. CosmicCowboy brought up the fact they get on social services. I agree. No social services during that five year probationary period.

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    I don't think Gore wins if there's no Nader

    Bush I definitely wins if there's no Perot.
    The math says you’re wrong. Look at how much Gore lost by in Florida vs. the amount of votes Nader got in the state.

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    The math says you’re wrong. Look at how much Gore lost by in Florida vs. the amount of votes Nader got in the state.
    That's assuming Gore gets all of Nader's vodes, which is also wrong.

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    That's assuming Gore gets all of Nader's vodes, which is also wrong.
    Nader got nearly 100,000 votes in the state, Gore lost the state by just over 500 votes. Are you claiming that Gore wouldn’t have been able to make up a less than 600 vote gap with 100,000 Green Party voters

    You might be clinically re ed.

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    Presidential Run After Finding No Initial Support Among Any Voter Groups



    SEATTLE—Expressing concerns that Democratic and Republican parties no longer represented people like him,

    former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz revealed Monday that he was considering an independent presidential run after finding no initial support among any American voter groups.

    “The complete lack of support for my candidacy among narrow interest groups like liberals, conservatives, and moderates tells me that America is hungry for an independent voice,”

    said Schultz, after

    preliminary polling found little to no support for his presidential bid among

    Democrats,
    African-Americans,
    evangelicals,
    working-class whites,
    suburbanites,
    Republicans,
    millennials,
    Hispanics,
    men, or
    women.


    “Our political system has been overrun by people with opinions and ideas.

    This country should not be beholden to someone who constantly fights for American values.

    Our nation clearly wants an independent voice who does not speak for any of them.

    I know that I can win by rising above partisan squabbles

    by bringing together a large coalition of nobody whatsoever.”

    At press time,

    the announcement that Schultz was considering a presidential bid had

    received a highly positive reaction from Howard Schultz.

    https://politics.theonion.com/howard-schultz-considering-independent-presidential-run-1832126653

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    Democrats are terrified of Howard Schultz.

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    Search history should be bundled with each post. Good call
    the point is you go out of your way to look up stories about crazy libs so that you can pretend that its a constant oppression you face

    complain about msnbc/cnn... but consistently visit those sites and look up stories about them.

    its like chris whining about celebrities in politics and constantly posting their tweets here

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    Democrats are terrified of Howard Schultz.
    Objectively he seems like more of a moderate conservative candidate, the kind of President that might appeal to the more socially progressive Republicans who insist they don't approve of Trump's divisiveness on social issues. But who are we kidding, you'll all rally around the Donald anyway.

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    Objectively he seems like more of a moderate conservative candidate, the kind of President that might appeal to the more socially progressive Republicans who insist they don't approve of Trump's divisiveness on social issues. But who are we kidding, you'll all rally around the Donald anyway.
    I would vote for just about anyone that ran against Trump in the primary.

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