Manu Ginobili - Disrespected by the NBA for DWade and Dirk

[skin27]

LMAO, the MVP award is dumb because the warriors have the two best players yet can't win every year so it goes to guys like harden, west, and giannis. And from 2008 to 2015 lebron was the true MVP every year. It's a really dumb award!

Basically, as a Spurs fan you need to hate the mvp because Duncan didn't get enough. If MVP is all you care about than you're a kobestan.

lol duncan won 2 MVP while kobe only one..lol

[skin27]

So?
Jordan had Pip
Lebron Wade
Durant WB
Bird McHale
Curry Thompson etc.

?lol

[daslicer]

LMAO, the MVP award is dumb because the warriors have the two best players yet can't win every year so it goes to guys like harden, west, and giannis. And from 2008 to 2015 lebron was the true MVP every year. It's a really dumb award!

Basically, as a Spurs fan you need to hate the mvp because Duncan didn't get enough. If MVP is all you care about than you're a kobestan.

MYP is a legit award. Not even MJ in his prime got it every year. I would say Rose and Durant both deserved the award in 2011 and 2014. I do believe Duncan was robbed of it in '99 and should have got it but the other years he wasn't robbed. I thought he would have gotten it in '05 had he not gotten that serious grade 3 ankle injury that kept him out for nearly 2 months towards the end of the year. Westbrook and Malone in '99 are the only 2 guys in the last 30 some years I felt weren't deserving of that award. Name me some other people who didn't deserve it besides those 2.

[skin27]

Lol @ people downgrading MVP award because their favorite player did not win it or even chave a chance to win it..

[skin27]

MYP is a legit award. Not even MJ in his prime got it every year. I would say Rose and Durant both deserved the award in 2011 and 2014. I do believe Duncan was robbed of it in '99 and should have got it but the other years he wasn't robbed. I thought he would have gotten it in '05 had he not gotten that serious grade 3 ankle injury that kept him out for nearly 2 months towards the end of the year. Westbrook and Malone in '99 are the only 2 guys in the last 30 some years I felt weren't deserving of that award. Name me some other people who didn't deserve it besides those 2.

If not because of westbrook triple double..harden should have won it..

[daslicer]

If not because of westbrook triple double..harden should have won it..

I thought #2 tbh deserved the MVP that year and then Harden after him. Anyways the MVP usually goes to a top 5 player. The best player in the league doesn't always get it every year due to certain factors such as team record, and having a season that's not as good as his previous MVP season. I can never recall a time where Manu was a top 5 player in the league. I despise Harden and hate his game but there is no doubt that he's a top 5 player in the league.

[Mikeanaro]

?lol

Originally Posted by DAF86
If it was the triple double then why isn't he being talked for MVP now?

Originally Posted by Skin27
because he has George now..and his points are down compared to 2017..in 2017 he carried the thunder to 6th seed alone with his 31/10/10

Originally Posted by Mikeanaro
So?
Jordan had Pip
Lebron Wade
Durant WB
Bird McHale
Curry Thompson etc.

Originally Posted by skin27
?lol

[Mikeanaro]

I thought #2 tbh deserved the MVP that year and then Harden after him. Anyways the MVP usually goes to a top 5 player. The best player in the league doesn't always get it every year due to certain factors such as team record, and having a season that's not as good as his previous MVP season. I can never recall a time where Manu was a top 5 player in the league. I despise Harden and hate his game but there is no doubt that he's a top 5 player in the league.

Manu only was a top 5 player when it was about winning championships, regular season is not much specially when you are a team player, not a ballhogger.

[daslicer]

Manu only was a top 5 player when it was about winning championships, regular season is not much specially when you are a team player, not a ballhogger.

Outside of the '05 playoff run I would not say for the other playoff runs that Manu was a top 5 player during the playoffs.

[Mikeanaro]

Outside of the '05 playoff run I would not say for the other playoff runs that Manu was a top 5 player during the playoffs.

You think Duncan won everything by himself?
If you have 2 teams on each playoff series from 2003 to 2018 and you think Manu doesnt deserve to be in the top 5, even in the finals...
Well then there is not much to say.

[kaji157]

If anything it diminishes the meaning of being an all Star. It doesn't diminishes Manu at all.

[skin27]

I thought #2 tbh deserved the MVP that year and then Harden after him. Anyways the MVP usually goes to a top 5 player. The best player in the league doesn't always get it every year due to certain factors such as team record, and having a season that's not as good as his previous MVP season. I can never recall a time where Manu was a top 5 player in the league. I despise Harden and hate his game but there is no doubt that he's a top 5 player in the league.

I’ll give harden the nod slightly

harden = 29/8.1/11.2 55-27 team record
leonard = 25/5.8/3.5 61-21 team record

[ElNono]

[RC_Drunkford]

Ginobili is obviously in the same tier as D. Wade. Even ESPN re s like Max Kellerman and Stephen A. Smith admit that in the 2000s era Kobe, Wade and Manu were the top 3 SGs

[NameLess Scrub]

This. Pop is to blame (having him come off the bench his entire career, when he was clearly a starter) for Manu's subpar NBA stats. That fact is plain as day. But at the end of the day it was a double edged sword, because we got 4 rings out of it.

Yes, and also it probably extended Manu's career and productivity.

Yet you wouldn't be saying this if Harden spent his entire career as a 6th man in OKC.

I think this is possible.. D'Antoni also seems to have a role in Harden's development by giving him more freedom and the PG role.

OKC should've probably decided on Harden when they saw WB used to take more shots than KD , but then again they probably didn't think he could play PG.

[NameLess Scrub]

This. Pop is to blame (having him come off the bench his entire career, when he was clearly a starter) for Manu's subpar NBA stats. That fact is plain as day. But at the end of the day it was a double edged sword, because we got 4 rings out of it.

Yet you wouldn't be saying this if Harden spent his entire career as a 6th man in OKC.

I’ll give harden the nod slightly

harden = 29/8.1/11.2 55-27 team record
leonard = 25/5.8/3.5 61-21 team record

I think Kawhi's defense should have given him the nod,, but he wasn't as popular. Also Westbrook must be like top 3 worst MVP of all time considering he got it by stat padding on a 6th seed team.

I also thought Dwight could've won it over Rose in 2011. LeBron too but it was his first superteam year so he obviously was going to get a negative effect MVP wise.

[skin27]

Ginobili is obviously in the same tier as D. Wade. Even ESPN re s like Max Kellerman and Stephen A. Smith admit that in the 2000s era Kobe, Wade and Manu were the top 3 SGs

maybe wade..but dirk? No..difference between wade and ginobili is wade had experience being the superstar of his team 2009 and 2010

wade also had a better stats than manu

manu never average 20pts a game in a season his entire career..his best was 19.5 ppg in 2007-2008 season where he won 6th man of the year..

[skin27]

I think Kawhi's defense should have given him the nod,, but he wasn't as popular. Also Westbrook must be like top 3 worst MVP of all time considering he got it by stat padding on a 6th seed team.

I also thought Dwight could've won it over Rose in 2011. LeBron too but it was his first superteam year so he obviously was going to get a negative effect MVP wise.

defense is irrelevant in MVP award..there’s an award for that(dpoy)

[TMTTRIO]

It doesn't help that Manu played for a team like the Spurs as a sixth man his whole career behind 2 other star players. I'm not going to argue who he's better than but I feel like he could've had more AS appearances and be known as a star player if he was a starter and on a bigger market team. It's interesting now after not giving him any recognition how they want to compare a lot of the players coming in as the new Manu Ginobili.

[John B]

Westbrook and Harden are selfish stats padder. Manu is a genuine compe or, out there every night giving 100% effort for the win, regardless of stats, making good plays. MJ and Kobe takeover games too but for the win. Not Harden and Westbrook. Has anyone play pickup game with someone chucking shots like Harden and not winning?? Westbrook with all his empty calorie triple-doubles going home losing? that. Video game stats that media and millennials embrace, too much sauce without meat.

[DAF86]

Slightly off topic but does anyone have a link (or can copy paste here) Pelton's article about whether or not Manu deserves to be a HoF based solely on his NBA career?

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/stor...-antonio-spurs

[skin27]

Slightly off topic but does anyone have a link (or can copy paste here) Pelton's article about whether or not Manu deserves to be a HoF based solely on his NBA career?

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/stor...-antonio-spurs

If we base it only on his NBA career I think he don’t deserve to be in the hall of fame..same with parker..

The main highlights of manu’s is when he lead Argentina to the gold medal at the Olympics in 2004 and knocked out the US(US Team B)in semifinals.

The question is does ginobili and parker deserves to be a first ballot hall of famer? I think manu is, because of the Olympic gold medal, but parker? I don’t think so

[NameLess Scrub]

defense is irrelevant in MVP award..there’s an award for that(dpoy)

Probably in practice, but I don't agree unless it's called offensive player of the year. Imo value includes offense and defense and DPOY is for players whose value doesn't reach MVP levels overall, but it does defensively.

[skin27]

Probably in practice, but I don't agree unless it's called offensive player of the year. Imo value includes offense and defense and DPOY is for players whose value doesn't reach MVP levels overall, but it does defensively.

MVP is more on offensive side than defensive..a lot players won the MVP despite being bad on defense..


you you don’t need to be good at defense to win the MVP

[Seventyniner]

If we base it only on his NBA career I think he don’t deserve to be in the hall of fame..same with parker..

The main highlights of manu’s is when he lead Argentina to the gold medal at the Olympics in 2004 and knocked out the US(US Team B)in semifinals.

The question is does ginobili and parker deserves to be a first ballot hall of famer? I think manu is, because of the Olympic gold medal, but parker? I don’t think so

Parker had a way better NBA career than Manu in terms of total accomplishments. Manu was always more efficient but Parker played more minutes (~27k for Manu vs ~37k for Parker).

Manu's international career >>>>>>>>> Parker's, of course. But they're both HoF locks. Manu will be first ballot 100%, Parker most likely will be too but there's a small chance he has to wait one extra year.

As to the question "would Manu get in an NBA-only Hall of Fame?", I don't know. He doesn't have nearly the raw numbers that most inductees do. In fact, bkref thinks that Manu would only have a 20% chance of getting in the HoF because they only use NBA numbers. They have Parker at 93.9% and Pau at 93.3%.

https://www.basketball-reference.com...parketo01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com...ginobma01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com...gasolpa01.html