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not sure how you got that.
was there something you took exception to?
The President is actually comparatively powerless. Congress passes the budget, spends the money, writes tax law, etc.
The Pres has actually very little to do with running the economy.
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not sure how you got that.
was there something you took exception to?
Tell that to Mitch McConnell.
I'm currently annoyed by the fact that you're a ing re who is so far left of center that he thinks that Obama's a Tory right winger
These faces in the Oval Office don't have a whole lot to do with what's happening to be honest with you. Congress makes all of the decisions which is why there's still no border wall.
Of course the executive has a lot of power however these things you're accusing these presidents of by and large can be attributed to action or inaction in Congress.
You've done it now, prepare for three or four consecutive posts with about three or four words each.
So angry and proud. It must be very limiting for you to think of politics as a linear spectrum with only two flavors, but if arguendo we stipulate that spectrum you're a bad judge of where Obama falls on it.
FWIW, the Obama as Tory gloss I more or less copped from Andrew Sullivan, nobody's left winger and half a Tory himself.
So.....Obama's right of center yes or left center..no?
Inb4 100 word answer to yes or no question
From a world politics lens, Obama was clearly center leaning right. The optics from the US are clearly different.
This is horse . He had to be somewhat practical given he country he was in and the people he was working with. The only reason Obamacare didn't have a public option is because Joe Lieberman was the deciding vote and the got torpedoed it. People forget this kind of horse . If you look at Obamacare as a whole it was a fairly large case of wealth redistribution
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ually-to-poor/
Center right, no question about it.
Appointed a Republican SECDEF, main legislative accomplishment was a Repubilican healthcare scheme (modeled on Mitt Romney's MassCare).
Continued his predecessor's wars, normalized and extended executive power, domestic surveillance and secrecy.
Response to the Great Recession was a bailout of the financial sector and eight years of QE. FDR ins uted a NEW Deal and regulated banking: Obama coddled the banks, gave them direct financial assistance and let the rest of the country hoist itself up by its bootstraps.
Which part of all off that is left wing?
Apart from a few more or less evanescent and meaningless culture war gestures, Obama was barely a leftist of any kind.
if you think Obama was a leftist, AaronY, let's see your argument for it. Calling me a re even doesn't get you off the starting line.
Btw, what kind of leftist lets Citibank vet his cabinet?
No point in reasoning with you tbh. Obama proposed raising minimum wage to $10.10, tried to do it but couldnt (he did so federal employees) but even that isnt enough for someone like you.
At the time when adjusted for cost of living the highest minimum wage in the world was like $10
https://www.ac2news.com/wp-content/u...ld-424x565.png
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...m-wage-united/
He also needed 60 votes in the senate for everything at the time like I mentioned with Lieberman
His failure to raise the minimum wage to 10 dollars makes Obama a raging leftist and is the most significant political effort of his 8 years in office.
There's no reasoning with you, you're barmy.
$10.77 currently the highest minimum wage in the world by purchasing power lmao
https://ceoworld.biz/2019/01/03/coun...he-world-2019/
But yeah, $15 is not far left lol
It seems like you're both misunderstanding the other's perspective. I don't think Aaron thinks of Obama as a huge Leftist, and I don't think Winehole's position is that Obama wasn't liberal enough. You seem to both be debating from the interpretation that the other thinks there was a problem with Obama's position.
From my perspective, anyway.
A lot of those countries don't have a predatory healthcare system bleeding them dry like we do. Though we have it very good here when it comes to purchasing power for food at least. Not that I'm advocating a $15 minimum wage.
me saying Obama is center right makes me a far left re in his book, but apart from muh minimum wage, he can't explain how either me or Obama is a leftist.
muh wage suppression
huh? it wasn't a take on Trump at all.
also, it wasn't Obama's great economy: presidents don't control macroeconomic effects, they just get undeserved praise or blame for them.
People like him are trying to push the overton window so far left that Obama is a right winger. it's annoying. The fact that if you oppose $15 minimum wage now which like I said is 40% higher than the highest minimum wage in us purchasing power you're a right winger or something now is pretty absurd
what's the purchasing power of the US minimum wage compared to the last time it was raised?
asking for the minimum wage to be adjusted for cost of living only moves the Overton window back to the status quo ante.
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