Sportando: Spurs working hard to part ways with Gasol

[dontouchmebwo]

Such a dumb ass signing, but he got paid because he "knows how to play the game", this shows just how disconnected this franchise was.

[UnWantedTheory]

Eh they can say whatever but it would be nice to have a head coach that keeps his political opinions to himself and focus on his mediocre team instead.

You would feel different if you agreed with those opinions though.

[UnWantedTheory]

Your not getting it. The PATFO wanted a shot at CP3. To get that shot, Gasol's contract had to be off the Spurs books. So he had to opt out (of something like $15M). So they made him an (illegal but unprovable) under the table promise : if you opt out, we will give you a contract worth the full MLE (Which is the maximum he could be given, if he opted out, and the Spurs renounced his bird rights so they could sign CP3). He accepted this, opted out. They didn't get CP3, but they were on the hook for the aforementioned full MLE value; now they are paying him the value of the full MLE ~ $39.5M = 16 +16.8 + 6.7 (his partial guarantee).

You can argue that it was silly to pursue CP3 like that, but this is pretty clearly what they did.

This.

[gambit1990]

i bet the spurs could've moved gasol... but they wanted to be considerate of where he was trade to.

[gambit1990]

and a contender wouldn't have a need for him at that price.

[gambit1990]

what's mystifying is that it's rumored gasol got what he got so the spurs could pursue cp3... but it was also reported that the spurs didn't sign cp3 because the spurs already had an aging point guard... cp3 had interest in being a spur/spoke highly of the organization so idk what happened.

[ceperez]

Your not getting it. The PATFO wanted a shot at CP3. To get that shot, Gasol's contract had to be off the Spurs books. So he had to opt out (of something like $15M). So they made him an (illegal but unprovable) under the table promise : if you opt out, we will give you a contract worth the full MLE (Which is the maximum he could be given, if he opted out, and the Spurs renounced his bird rights so they could sign CP3). He accepted this, opted out. They didn't get CP3, but they were on the hook for the aforementioned full MLE value; now they are paying him the value of the full MLE ~ $39.5M = 16 +16.8 + 6.7 (his partial guarantee).

You can argue that it was silly to pursue CP3 like that, but this is pretty clearly what they did.

Appears to be the only logical reason. Well, they gambled and lost big time.

The real loss of course is Leonard deciding to want to go elsewhere. Spurs would still be compe ive with Leonard.

[cd021]

Courtesy of Bball-reference.com, this guy's pay means he isn't just some grizzly vet taking a roster spot.

Look where he ranks in salary on the roster this year and the next - he's arguably the worst contract in the NBA based on salary, seasons under contract, ability, age, and trade value.

Player	2018-19 Salary	2019-20 Salary
DeMar DeRozan	$27,739,975	$27,739,975
LaMarcus Aldridge	$22,347,015	$26,000,000
Pau Gasol	$16,800,000	$16,000,000
Patty Mills	$11,571,429	$12,428,571
Rudy Gay	$10,087,200
Davis Bertans	$7,000,000	$7,000,000
Marco Belinelli	$6,153,846	$5,846,154
Bryn Forbes	$3,125,000	$2,875,000
Jakob Poeltl	$2,947,320	$3,754,886
Dante Cunningham	$2,500,000
Lonnie Walker	$2,357,160	$2,760,480
Quincy Pondexter	$2,165,481
Derrick White	$1,667,160	$1,948,080
Dejounte Murray	$1,544,951	$2,321,735
Chimezie Metu	$838,464

You're being a bit dramatic tbh. John Wall is far and away the worst deal in the NBA. Batum's is pretty bad too, Gasol probably doesn't make the top ten worst contract. After this season Gasol is owed $6.7 million if waived. He'll be cut and the Spurs will probably even sign a vet to be the 3rd center on the cheap or draft a big with one of their picks.

[Chillen]

what's mystifying is that it's rumored gasol got what he got so the spurs could pursue cp3... but it was also reported that the spurs didn't sign cp3 because the spurs already had an aging point guard... cp3 had interest in being a spur/spoke highly of the organization so idk what happened.

I hope that is not true that they had little interest in CP3. The funny thing is if say Spurs had traded and signed CP3 it's very possible Kawhi could still be a Spur today. Maybe this is where the rift with Kawhi and Spurs started Spurs just having made the WCF the previous season and did not make any big moves that summer and Parker was coming off a bad injury. I bet Kawhi was pissed they didn't go for CP3.

[Hoops Czar]

what's mystifying is that it's rumored gasol got what he got so the spurs could pursue cp3... but it was also reported that the spurs didn't sign cp3 because the spurs already had an aging point guard... cp3 had interest in being a spur/spoke highly of the organization so idk what happened.

What happened was like the rest of the league, CP3 used the Spurs as leverage so he could get a 5th year out of the Clippers. When the Clips said no deal, he bolted for Houston. RC is a foolish man to think he actually had a chance of landing CP3 but that Pau opt out showed that he actually did. He also got played by Iggy in the same offseason. One of the worst GM's in the business.

[r0drig0lac]

and a contender wouldn't have a need for him.

obviously, even mediocre teams like ours also have no need for a player like him (probably the top 8 of the Euroleague also has better players in their position)

[itzsoweezee]

Your not getting it. The PATFO wanted a shot at CP3. To get that shot, Gasol's contract had to be off the Spurs books. So he had to opt out (of something like $15M). So they made him an (illegal but unprovable) under the table promise : if you opt out, we will give you a contract worth the full MLE (Which is the maximum he could be given, if he opted out, and the Spurs renounced his bird rights so they could sign CP3). He accepted this, opted out. They didn't get CP3, but they were on the hook for the aforementioned full MLE value; now they are paying him the value of the full MLE ~ $39.5M = 16 +16.8 + 6.7 (his partial guarantee).

You can argue that it was silly to pursue CP3 like that, but this is pretty clearly what they did.

No, I do get it. It was dumb of them to negotiate with Pau from the position that his market value, even with a premium, was the full mle. They were also stupid for googly after cp3 in the first place

[duncan2150]

i have a doubt, somebody answer me one time but if we moove gasol on draft night it will be only for his 7 millions guaranteed or for his 16 mil ?

[exstatic]

Dont let Clan the Spurs fan hear you talk like this.

Weren't you done with this team? In which case, why do you care?

[exstatic]

and a contender wouldn't have a need for him at that price.

What price? He's owed ~$5M for the rest of this year, and can be waived for $6M this summer. Not much of a price.

[exstatic]

what's mystifying is that it's rumored gasol got what he got so the spurs could pursue cp3... but it was also reported that the spurs didn't sign cp3 because the spurs already had an aging point guard... cp3 had interest in being a spur/spoke highly of the organization so idk what happened.

Don't know who this goober is, never heard of him, but the reason that the Spurs never showed interest in CP3 is that he never allowed himself to hit FA. He agreed to opt in as a condition of a TRADE to HOU. That happened after the draft, but before FA. Unfortunately, the Spurs had already 'cleared the decks' and made their agreement with Pau.

[heyheymymy]

Spurs, NBA's boneyard

McGrady

Kevin Willis

Pau outta-Gas-ol

McDyess

...

Kurt Thomas

[TimDunkem]

Andre Miller

Kevin Martin

Oh we just won 67 games? Let's give these guys who had nothing to do with it big minutes just because that's what we do with old vets.

[spurs1990]

You're being a bit dramatic tbh. John Wall is far and away the worst deal in the NBA. Batum's is pretty bad too, Gasol probably doesn't make the top ten worst contract. After this season Gasol is owed $6.7 million if waived. He'll be cut and the Spurs will probably even sign a vet to be the 3rd center on the cheap or draft a big with one of their picks.

Agree that Wall's supermax (and Mike Conley) is atrocious, but in the view of what franchise they play for, neither Memphis nor Washington were ever players or contenders like San Antonio was and should still be. Wall got his contract as that team couldn't replace him otherwise. They have always been irrelevant... don't think they've sniffed an ECF in my lifetime.

Gasol sitting at $16m at age 38 on a team that could desperate utilize both that salary and position is a severe kick in the pants.
Never forget what they paid Timmy his last couple years here. I don't think he made more than $10m total.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Is he gone yet?

[Chillen]

Gasol is not the problem with this team, if he is fully healthy he can contribute. That has to be why Pop is benching him I guess. Yes, Spurs were stupid to sign him again but might as well hope he can contribute this season because this team needs him to badly. Get healthy Pau.

[TheCerebral1]

I didn't want him on the team prior to him signing the first time, let a lone re-signing.

[John B]

Gasol is not the problem with this team, if he is fully healthy he can contribute. That has to be why Pop is benching him I guess. Yes, Spurs were stupid to sign him again but might as well hope he can contribute this season because this team needs him to badly. Get healthy Pau.

Let’s say Pau can contribute, but he directly impedes Poeltl’s growth by taking minutes from him. Poeltl has great potential and needs all the experience he could get playing.

[cd021]

Agree that Wall's supermax (and Mike Conley) is atrocious, but in the view of what franchise they play for, neither Memphis nor Washington were ever players or contenders like San Antonio was and should still be. Wall got his contract as that team couldn't replace him otherwise. They have always been irrelevant... don't think they've sniffed an ECF in my lifetime.

Gasol sitting at $16m at age 38 on a team that could desperate utilize both that salary and position is a severe kick in the pants.
Never forget what they paid Timmy his last couple years here. I don't think he made more than $10m total.

The Spurs tried to use cap space that summer iirc, and PATFO was likely behind getting Pau to opt out, but it didn't work because Cp3 got traded before FA even started.

I think they gave him that new deal as a thanks for being a "team player" because he was willing to re-sign for much less had they landed a impact player.

They did sacrifice some cap last off-season but after Aldridge re-signed (he would've been able to opt out) and re-upping Mills the off season before plus Kawhi they may have not been able to carve out significant cap space anyway to improve the team.

It's an obvious overpay but, in all, 3 years, $40 million isn't nearly that bad. He was probably this team's second best player for the first 45 games of the season, last season and was looking pretty good in a bench capacity until he got a strass fracture.

That isn't a complete disaster in terms of salary and production over the course of a contract, players like Mahinmi, Biyombo, Mosgov and Thompson are certainly bigger overpays than Gasol was while not being as good as he was at any point in their contract.

[timtonymanu]

Exactly. If he comes back, you have 12 solid minutes, as he was playing at the beginning of the season. If he doesn't come back, we are at your "solution": Poeltl as the only backup center.
(your words: The return doesn't matter. Just simply shipping Pau out for ANYTHING)

Somehow I am still surprised at how some people lack even the basic logic fundamentals. My fault, I always overrate the school system.

Who’s the dumb now?