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    This is getting out of hand. DeMar is a flawed player no argument there, However this crap about this show being his fault is ridiculous. The problem with this team is small ty no defense playing guards. It's funny when derrick white is playing we win games not because of his offense so much but because of his defense. I would like to see any player y'all think to better than DeMar carry a team with Bryn Forbes and Patty Mills getting torched all over the place. Now DeMar has played like garbage since the Toronto Game but this show is not his fault.

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    Is OP Kyle Lowry?

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    Hi Demar

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    Demar gets torched just as much as Patty and Bryn.

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    In the last 15 games, he's had 8 where he shot .333 or less. In the first 37 games he only shot that low once, and that was in a 25 point blowout win where he only shot the ball 6 times because of the big lead and short minutes.

    The Spurs are 5-12 this year when DeRozan turns the ball over 4 or more times. He did it 9 times in the first 37 games, and 8 times in the last 15 games. (The Spurs went 2-6 in those 8 games.)

    If he was taking care of the ball, and not shooting like , he wouldn't be getting bashed.

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    Demar makes a great point guys.

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    In the last 15 games, he's had 8 where he shot .333 or less. In the first 37 games he only shot that low once, and that was in a 25 point blowout win where he only shot the ball 6 times because of the big lead and short minutes.

    The Spurs are 5-12 this year when DeRozan turns the ball over 4 or more times. He did it 9 times in the first 37 games, and 8 times in the last 15 games. (The Spurs went 2-6 in those 8 games.)

    If he was taking care of the ball, and not shooting like , he wouldn't be getting bashed.
    That, and most of all the pisspoor at ude. He doesn't give rat's ass, that's what it is. Does he ever fight? Even Marco tries hard in defense.

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    I want to say a few words about the state of the black American millennial NBA player. Why they don't wanna compete anymore? Why when they lose they cry it is not fun there is no joy? Why they wanna run away from challenges, difficulties and grind?

    Why do they seek to join teams with power imbalances to short cut their way to championships?

    Kyrie, Durant, Anthony Davis all these dudes will they ever be happy under any cir stance? Just sad these days.

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    This is getting out of hand. DeMar is a flawed player no argument there, However this crap about this show being his fault is ridiculous. The problem with this team is small ty no defense playing guards. It's funny when derrick white is playing we win games not because of his offense so much but because of his defense. I would like to see any player y'all think to better than DeMar carry a team with Bryn Forbes and Patty Mills getting torched all over the place. Now DeMar has played like garbage since the Toronto Game but this show is not his fault.
    A lot of truth, tbh.

    The Spurs have been the worst defensive team in the NBA over their last ten games. That includes even tanking teams that are incentivized to not even try to play defense.

    DeRozan hasn't been the same since the Raptors game but his offensive struggles shouldn't even be a blip on the radar compared to the team's poor defensive play overall when it comes to assigning blame. Even when DeRozan's offense has been suboptimal, the Spurs are still consistently a top five or six offensive team in the league.

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    A lot of truth, tbh.

    The Spurs have been the worst defensive team in the NBA over their last ten games. That includes even tanking teams that are incentivized to not even try to play defense.

    DeRozan hasn't been the same since the Raptors game but his offensive struggles shouldn't even be a blip on the radar compared to the team's poor defensive play overall when it comes to assigning blame. Even when DeRozan's offense has been suboptimal, the Spurs are still consistently a top five or six offensive team in the league.
    The disruptive power of bad at ude on colleagues' performance and on the workplace in general is much studied and longtime accepted as indisputable.
    Cavs got rid of IT in a heartbeat for that reason.

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    I agree, even Kawhi (who at his peak is one of the 2-way best players on the perimeter of all time), needed a much better roster than the current one to make noise in a worse west than the current, Demar is not close to that level, so he needs a much better support roster (again a PAFTO failure imo), his weaknesses that had not been shown earlier in the season are appearing now, he clearly has focus problem and tendency to tunnel vision (even worse than Kawhi for not being so good iso player), still believe that he can work working the pick and roll like Harden, Oladipo, etc, or throwing away the ball in cuts, but he needs to stop with his post game, in addition to not be efficient, he is not good enough passer to do this and not completely change the offensive

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    DeFrozan's stats after the Toronto game (including being rested for 5 games): 35.4 MPG 17.7 PPG on 42.9% shooting 6.6 Reb 5.5 Assists 3.4 TO with a +/- of -3.7. His defensive rating for the season is 112 which is the worst since his sop re season. He's clearly underperforming and before the last 2 games was shooting like 39% and scored 14 points average.
    He has fallen off a cliff and the bottom line is this team is only 9 deep. Once one of those players is out the team is in trouble. Unless, yeah unless that player is DeRozan. Then this team can still win.

    Another big factor which was clear to begin with, is that teams scouted the Spurs defense. Pop was able to fix holes with his schemes, but that only lasts for so long

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    A lot of truth, tbh.

    The Spurs have been the worst defensive team in the NBA over their last ten games. That includes even tanking teams that are incentivized to not even try to play defense.

    DeRozan hasn't been the same since the Raptors game but his offensive struggles shouldn't even be a blip on the radar compared to the team's poor defensive play overall when it comes to assigning blame. Even when DeRozan's offense has been suboptimal, the Spurs are still consistently a top five or six offensive team in the league.
    True, but isn’t DeRozan’s defense a rather large part of the issue? I mean, Forbes/Beli/DeRozan/Mills combine to make the worst guard defensive group in the league. He’s a part of that, despite the fact this is not all his “fault”.

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    Agree with OP -

    So far I am attributing this ty bashers club as mainly a few Kawhi -suckers who are still salty that their hero is a disgraceful quitter who betrayed the franchise.


    Give DDR a break already - he will get it together at the right time to at least scare some "superior" team in the first round of the playoffs -and if things break really well maybe even get the spurs to the 2nd round. That is pretty much the ceiling right now.

    Patience. It will be sweet when the Spurs finish their rebuild on the fly.

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    Interior defense is a bigger issue imo. Our guards lead the opposing guards inside and there is no one to protect the rim. LMA is a bystander of easy lay ups, Poetl not what he was advertised to be and i better not talk about Pau. Our interior defense is absolutely pathetic not to mention rebounding. Yes we have issues on the perimeter but our inside defense is a bigger problem. Marvin Bagley had the best game of his young career against us and that says a lot.

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    The bashing is unwarranted, kawhi left the organization in shambles. We should be glad we got a play like DeMar considering what kawhi and his group did. Albeit it was the eastern conference DeMar led the raptors to the best record in the conference. Plus of course will have some growing pains, this is the first year Pop hasn’t had Tim, Tony, or Manu

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    You are pathetic, OP.

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    The problem is we need players like Danny Green, Jae crowder, Josh Richardson, etc around DeMar instead we roll out with patty and bryn lol

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    How come Derozen doesn't run as many pick and rolls. I always thought that was more efficient than the isos and post ups

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    How come Derozen doesn't run as many pick and rolls. I always thought that was more efficient than the isos and post ups
    because he dribbles on his feet and loses the ball

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    The problem is we need players like Danny Green, Jae crowder, Josh Richardson, etc around DeMar instead we roll out with patty and bryn lol
    No, we need DDR out of male players' way. This team is perfectly fine without a crybaby emasculated ballstopper who cares only about his statsheet and never even pretend to defend. He should be out of the rotation until he finds his testicles.

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    Lol trying to make ho a housewife

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    A lot of truth, tbh.

    The Spurs have been the worst defensive team in the NBA over their last ten games. That includes even tanking teams that are incentivized to not even try to play defense.
    Well started the year something like 29th on defense and it’s not like we made any moves. This team is who we thought they were and a month of gimmick defense hasn’t changed anything.

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    I don't bash DeMar, and I actually liked him early in the season due to his improved assist & rebounding numbers, but at this point I honestly think that one of the first round draft picks + DeMar offered as trade bait for a better defensive player(s) is the most direct route to improving.

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    But its not like DeRozan doesnt have help. In fact, hes arguably the weakest defensive link in the standard starting lineup both talent and effort wise.

    LMA is a plus defender. White is a plus defender. Rudy has been decent enough. So even in that starting lineup, if we are complaining about defense, the 27M man has to take some blame no?

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