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All is lost.
Don't forget about next season. I think DPG said that PATFO had to "pick its lane"... Well, there is little doubt in my mind that they will pick the lane that includes DeMar and LMA. That is not a core I want to see the team built around. Pop isn't going to retire before his contract ends. Get used to this state of affairs, because Pop isn't going to change his MO.Well said and to the point. The time has come for new blood. Pop jhas always been an angry man but, this year he has the look in his eyes of a late night serial killer. The players on this team don't respond well to his anger. Many have brought up the point that he came in at halftime and basically cussed the team and players (individually) out. He really should retire and go enjoy his California winery. He's 70 years old and with 20 years of success he should step back and start enjoying life. The death of his wife has obviously been hard on him which is natural. But, the bottom line for me is I hope he retires and doesn't get fired because it is going to get worse before it gets better. There just isn't a whole lot of talent on this team. At least not NBA Championship quality talent. This is going to be a longgggggggggggggg season.
All is lost.
It's ing basketball entertainment
Pop is content with his 5 rings. I think all Pop cares about now is being the all time winningest coach which would take 3 years of 40 win teams but he is ok with that.
In a world full of foolish mortals, you are among the most foolish. The best winning percentage of any franchise in any major sport, for almost 20 years is not mediocrity. But for you, mediocrity would be a great improvement.
Been saying it since the moment Mills was re-signed at 12:1. This FO is past it's prime, and no longer is there Kawhi and the Big 3 to save them. You can't give out bad contracts to holdovers from 2014, or old washed up unless mediocrity is the goal.
It really is unfortunate timing that this is the point in which PATFO sets the team back. With Pop's future in question and no real star power, coupled with the usual issues San Antonio has as a FA destination, there is little they can do to improve the team outside of major trades (which is out of the question for this FO) since a DD/LMA core will never win in this league, but will be still be just good enough to keep the team out of the lottery.
And, no, Dejounte is not going to make this team contend. This team, healthy or not, is in NBA purgatory for the foreseeable future.
The team would not have been a legitimate le contender, even with both of those players healthy. And they would still have been unable to improve significantly because of the roster/cap situation.
As for issues to be addressed? It's easy enough to look that this team's poor clock management and inability to inbound the damn ball and see that they are not as well coached as previous incarnations of the Spurs were. No Jerry Sloan coached team would EVER show those two particular weaknesses, because he stressed execution and demanded it to the end. Pop was once a close second in that regard, but no longer. And if he's not holding the team to the same exacting standards he once did (he isn't), it's time for him to pass the torch.
3/$48M for Pau an 4/$50M for Patty were both horrible moves that handcuffed the Spurs' ability to bring in the kind of support Kawhi needed. People can analyze and guess all they want to, but that flagrant waste of cap space factored into Kawhi's (uncle's) thinking, like it or not. Contracts like that make players all but untradeable in anything but a salary dump. Neither player would be horrible as bit pieces in an otherwise deep team, but they are horrible as mainstay players - and that was evident when the contracts were given.
Last year's team was heavily dependent on a healthy geriatric Manu Ginobili. If he had come back for another season, this year's team would be heavily dependent on a one-year-older-geriatric Manu Ginobili. My vast knowledge of humans tells me that, deep down, even you don't believe this roster had a chance.
Truth bombs galore here. The mere fact that Pop wanted a 41-going-on- 42 Manu back so he could keep using him to run the offense just goes to show how many glaring holes this team has, AND how out of touch the FO is.
we all do, that's why we're here complaining day after day
Been saying it since the moment Mills was re-signed at 12:
It really is unfortunate timing that this is the point in which PATFO sets the team back. With Pop's future in question and no real star power, coupled with the usual issues San Antonio has as a FA destination, there is little they can do to improve the team outside of major trades (which is out of the question for this FO) since a DD/LMA core will never win in this league, but will be still be just good enough to keep the team out of the lottery.
And, no, Dejounte is not going to make this team contend. This team, healthy or not, is in NBA purgatory for the foreseeable future.
exactly, culture and all this bs was acceptable (although I never agreed with Ayres, Bonner, etc.) when we had 4 legends to carry the team on the court, from the moment the Great Fundamental retired, we became like any other team in the league, and our front office should have understood that
Last edited by r0drig0lac; 02-10-2019 at 05:10 AM.
So, two years ago Spurs were close to winning it all. Then the best player refused to play for the whole next season, and forced himself out in exchange for little more than garbage.
We still made the playoffs last year, and this year too notwithstanding the DDR cancer and multiple injuries.
All that unsatisfactory (for you) couple years vs 20 consecutive years to the playoffs, or vs 65 days under .500 in the last 21 years
You really are smart, there is no doubt....Go root for Minnesota or some other jokes of organizations.
Last edited by monty4329; 02-10-2019 at 06:26 AM.
You're right about Pop. At his age he ain't about to change much of anything. There isn't much to build around on the present team. Some how, some way, we have to get a true 3 and D. Someone who is long, athletic and has the 'want to' to play defense and is good at it. Like I said, it is going to be a longgggggggggggggg season. And probably another one or two more.
3 players and Gasol injury has depleted him as a nba standard player. We are down 4 rotational players layers essentially.
Yes, like 14 'other teams' who didn't pick Leonard before #15....You right, Spurs have an obsolete FO who doesn't understand what you instead clearly do.
It always amazes me when Pop goes political the Spurs cannot win a game to save their lives.
I was hearing the same nonsense about the front office before we drafted Leonard and went on another run. You guys are spoiled rotten by what RC and Pop has put together. If you put that critical lens on any other team short of the recent Warriors, there is no one with a better track record. Look at OKC for example, where everyone on this forum was fawning over Sam Presti and that he was the true brains behind some of our successful draft picks. He not only traded away Harden, he lost Durant and I don't see them any closer to a le even with the acquisition of Paul George. He had 3 all NBA caliber players and zero les. He's hired poorly for the head coach twice!, which has hurt Westbrook's development in terms of his bad decision making.
Let's talk Danny Ainge, another one that is supposedly light years ahead of RC/Pop. Where are the Celtics today? Sure they have a ton of draft picks but I don't see them as le contenders and are not even in the top 3 in the East. I'm not as bullish on Tatum as some in the media are and I don't see him as a superstar. Danny could have gone hard after Kawhi (a legitimate superstar) and now will probably lose in a playoff series to the Raptors. He may even lose Kyrie in the off season if any of the rumors are true. Nevertheless, what do the Celtics have to show for after collecting all those draft picks from Brooklyn? A team that is very good but not quite good enough to win the le and I don't see them better than 76ers, Bucks and Raptors (if Kawhi stays).
In fact, if you were to ask me to pick between the Nets & Celtics in terms who will be better in the next 5 years, I'm picking the Nets. Sean Marks has done an unbelievable job putting that roster together and they will probably make the playoffs this year. If they had everybody healthy, they would be higher in the standings. Don't forget to that they have a lot of cap space and Brooklyn will be a player in the free agency market.
In terms of the Spurs, I'm actually very excited about the future. Dejounte Murray will be back, who I believe will be a star in this league and potentially all NBA. White is solid and I put him in the Drew Holiday category, an all star player but doesn't get the fan fare. White has shown he can play with anyone and can't wait to see him and DJ terrorizing back courts for years to come. Walker is another guy with superior athleticism but just needs time to develop. I have no doubt he will become solid player in this league and has all the tools to become something special. Metu has passed the eye test for me and like Walker, just needs time to polish his game. We also have Poelt and 2 drafts picks this year to add to that talent. This iteration of the Spurs was supposed to include Kawhi and he put a monkey wrench on our plans. Nevertheless, we have regrouped and will probably still make the playoffs but I have no doubt on RC/Pop will eventually put the Spurs again on top.
But people aren't even asking trading for Anthony Davis, just small-time moves that literally any competent FO could do....
I mean this roster has both Dante Cunningham AND Quincy Pondexter on it, absolute wastes of space. They couldn't even find a taker for Pau's corpse when several terrible contracts got moved around before the deadline....Add to that the inevitable Fatty Mills extension and you've got a recipe for disaster for the next 3-4 years.
The only hope is that Pop retires within the next season and the next coach up brings something new to how the FO approaches Free Agency and roster construction....
crofl that's the bar that Spurfan is now setting for the organization....."At least we're not Minnesota"...."at least we made the playoffs to get skull ed by the Warriors again".....
What a loser mentality a big portion of this fanbase has tbh....
I agree 100% with this statement. Aldridge had been a decent #2 option for Kawhi while he was here but the team still needed more than what they had to actually beat the Warriors and when a championship.
I do like some of our younger players outside of Forbes though. DeRozan most likely could fetch the team a decent draft pick or cheaper good player but other than that this team has to really hit on these upcoming draft picks. The West is already hard but next season is going to be a blood bath!
As all things in life Pop got old too. Lol at those who think that LMA is gonna age well, can't jump a ing newspaper, runs like he's injured, zero latteral speed to defend pnr. Both need to go or released somehow because i dont think they can bring you anything, a second round pick maybe. As i said before Pop needs to retire at the end of the season because he's too great to be dealing with re ed players and their groups and depressed af individuals while getting paid 27 million. He should've retired last summer, big mistake by him but i can understand why he stayed. When you lose someone so close to you all you want to do is work and stay away from home.
Bottom line we need to tank for at least two seasons and if they can't afford that then move the team somewhere else, its as simple as that.
The problem is we in the past had really good starters and a really good bench we have neither right now. When we signed Cunningham and Poindexter I was like OK we going to tank which was a little surprising but then after we started our winning streak I was like OK we have a legit chance but we need a stronger bench meaning upgrade Cunningham and Poindexter which did not happen. Smh
The team right now is back to tank mode it is painfully obvious that the Spurs players are not having fun and don’t give a anymore. If this continues I think Pop might hang it up this off season and I don’t have a clue who would replace him.
As far as getting back in the tle win it all mode we have to make trades DEROZZ is just not a fit and would hopefully net us a good player or some decent draft picks. We need to shore up our bench with good two way players that means getting rid of Gasol, Forbes, Mills, if we have to take a step back in order to go forward I am all for that.
so spurs circa early 1990's.So another curb-stomping at the hands of the Warriors awaits.
From here on out, It is textbook "treadmill of mediocrity" team or what I call "doing a Pacers": never bottom out and never ascend to a contender status, just be a happy 6th-8th seed team that may be lucky to win a round depending on match-ups or injuries..
It is amazing that we have gone almost an entire season without a true SF, when SFs are more important to the game than any other time in NBA history.
Honestly we might have won it all this year if nephew didn't leave. This thing about mediocrity and stuff is an absurd excuse about why he left. A line up of Kawhi, LMA, Gay, DJ, White would be unstoppable. With Marco, Danny, Patty, Bertans off the bench.
But yeah nobody really liked the trade. I thought we were screwed the second DJ went down. Our problem is defense and our guards can't guard a shadow. DJ covers up a lot of their weaknesses, especially paired with White. There's no real fix for it this year either unfortunately. I even started a Spurs tank thread. It'll a be interesting who gets that last playoff spot but I'm assuming it's not us and we have a good draft pick as a result which we need so I'm ok with one year of missing the playoffs.
I mean the 18th pick and the 28th pick won't get us much trade value. But the 13th pick and the 29th might make us be able to move up 2 spots and get a player we actually really want. Enjoy the tank guys.
Last edited by Kobe'sAchilles; 02-10-2019 at 12:08 PM.
I did not read the full post, but on Presti: he had to make a choice (Harden or Ibaka), when he already had two perimeter superstars, he made the obvious choice, if anyone is to blame on this is the owner of the franchise by refuse to pay the tax ( in LA or GSW and Presti would never have to worry about it).
about "losing Durant" is one of the greatest jokes in history, Durant in all his prime years had one of the 2/3 best roster in the league (with or without Harden), always had a superstar (Westbrook) and a dpoy candidate ( Ibaka) as well as an extremely qualified roster. He is not good enough, then had to run to the best team ever created (in addition to illegal screens) since 1998 bulls to win easy rings, he is the most cowardly athlete in basketball history, so no, Presti did not lose nobody, interesting that Westbrook was a toxic guy, but Oladipo says he is one of the reasons for his career turnaround, and PG13 got the chance to go to LA as a free agent, renewed his contract and is playing the best season of his career, with Westbrook, even after a hard injury.
Durant is the joke and so his rings are not respected, he just ran to the team more stacked in the league
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