They have put the team on a dreary treadmill of mediocrity and called it “staying compe ive”..

[timtonymanu]

So, two years ago Spurs were close to winning it all. Then the best player refused to play for the whole next season, and forced himself out in exchange for little more than garbage.
We still made the playoffs last year, and this year too notwithstanding the DDR cancer and multiple injuries.
All that unsatisfactory (for you) couple years vs 20 consecutive years to the playoffs, or vs 65 days under .500 in the last 21 years

You really are smart, there is no doubt....Go root for Minnesota or some other jokes of organizations.

You're so vanilla

[DejuanorwhatDude]

Yes, like 14 'other teams' who didn't pick Leonard before #15....You right, Spurs have an obsolete FO who doesn't understand what you instead clearly do.

It's not a question of whether any fan understands what to do with the Spurs. It's whether the Spurs front office understands whats happened to the team and what they will do about it going forward. What other people have been saying(which is evident from their decisions in the past few years, i.e. trading for DDR, signing Patty Mills to a fat extension, resigning Gasol to a multiyear deal) is that they dont. The best player for the Spurs right now is an about to be 34 year old PF. The player they thought would be a piece going forward tore his ACL. What about this franchise screams an upward trajectory?

[NASpurs]

Yes, like 14 'other teams' who didn't pick Leonard before #15....You right, Spurs have an obsolete FO who doesn't understand what you instead clearly do.

let me tell you the tale as to who the Spurs really wanted that year and it wasn’t Kawhi. So stop acting like they have this incredible foresight when if things were different and the Spurs would had moved up in the draft, Valanciunas would had been drafted over Kawhi.

[slick'81]

People are making excuses because white is hurt? Lol this team is hot trash and sadly since they resigned fatty and rupau its slowly gotten worse. We traded away the franchise for demar derozan for god sakes!

[Degoat]

Why can’t people get through their heads that kawhi wanted out!?! The spurs tried to trade for other possible franchise players they asked the 76ers for Ben Simmons or Joel emiid! Teams weren’t going to give up anything for kawhi because there’s uncertainty with him in his future commitments

[DPG21920]

Why can’t people get through their heads that kawhi wanted out!?! The spurs tried to trade for other possible franchise players they asked the 76ers for Ben Simmons or Joel emiid! Teams weren’t going to give up anything for kawhi because there’s uncertainty with him in his future commitments

Teams offered multiple first round picks for Kawhi and Patfo chose to go for a win now type move. Im fine with that. Im fine with them thinking last years team did well and with growth from White/Murray plus adding DeRozan they could be a WCF threat.

Im also fine with them not going all-in on the win now strategy after seeing where this team was actually at after the Kawhi trade. It would have been one thing to trade Kawhi for DeRozan and immediately trade the youth/picks for more win now players. But I can see why they wanted to wait and see.

When they did wait and see, and this deadline approached, it became pretty damn clear that going all-in win now was not the best of ideas since the team was so flawed.

However, this off season? They need to pick a direction. If they aren’t going to trade LMA/DeRozan, then they need to place serious effort into reshaping this team for the next two years to give them the highest ceiling possible for those two year. Even if it means giving up picks or trading some youth.

I don’t think after seeing what they have, that they can just try to fight, scratch and claw to be a 7th or 8th seed. This team lacks many things, isnt fun to watch to make up for it and they are sort of aimless right now.

That’s ok, some of that was to be expected with a team built around Kawhi that suddenly has DeRozan in there instead. But now they have had time to watch, evaluate and plan. There has to be a definitive direction. Look at what Jerry West did with the Clippers. He had a team that was stride for stride with sa in the playoff race but he made a decisive decision due to where they were at.

Im good either way; I am not ok with being stuck in the middle when you traded you best asset for someone win now. You chose that direction, so lean into it the best you can (and the best you can does not mean standing pat).

[R. DeMurre]

It just seems to me that a lot of the frustration directed at PATFO should really be aimed at Kawhi. He's the one that permanently changed the situation. In theory, drafting Murray and D White to play alongside Kawhi was a great plan, and probably would've allowed Bertans to play more minutes at PF, which would have given the Spurs a line up with great D from Kawhi/White/Murray and very good perimeter shooting from Bertans/Kawhi/White. The blueprint was great-- I don't think anyone can argue against that.

[monty4329]

let me tell you the tale as to who the Spurs really wanted that year and it wasn’t Kawhi. So stop acting like they have this incredible foresight when if things were different and the Spurs would had moved up in the draft, Valanciunas would had been drafted over Kawhi.

So what? 14 teams didn't pick him

[monty4329]

It's not a question of whether any fan understands what to do with the Spurs. It's whether the Spurs front office understands whats happened to the team and what they will do about it going forward. What other people have been saying(which is evident from their decisions in the past few years, i.e. trading for DDR, signing Patty Mills to a fat extension, resigning Gasol to a multiyear deal) is that they dont. The best player for the Spurs right now is an about to be 34 year old PF. The player they thought would be a piece going forward tore his ACL. What about this franchise screams an upward trajectory?

What would be your argument to attract free agents in SA?

[NASpurs]

So what? 14 teams didn't pick him

Way to miss the point.

[SuperCam]

OP one of the wisest, most aware posters on the site destroying the fluffers again, tbh.

spur future is a bunch of malcontent overpaid 30s divas on long max contracts and a bunch of guards who arent close to all star caliber making 20 million a year more likely. very bleak and all in service of the ego of the post-prime coach to pad his record to the very end.

[SuperCam]

DPG was on of those folks in the offseason

"This was a playoff team without Nephew, just imagine how good they'll be inserting another Allstar in DeRozan. 3rd seed is likely imo"

Man....

beating the drum even when decancer practically slit his wrists after the trade

[dbestpro]

So, two years ago Spurs were close to winning it all. Then the best player refused to play for the whole next season, and forced himself out in exchange for little more than garbage.
We still made the playoffs last year, and this year too notwithstanding the DDR cancer and multiple injuries.
All that unsatisfactory (for you) couple years vs 20 consecutive years to the playoffs, or vs 65 days under .500 in the last 21 years

You really are smart, there is no doubt....Go root for Minnesota or some other jokes of organizations.

You own a business that has turned a profit for twenty years and this year you lost money. You would be mad, and demanding answers so this would not happen, again. or you might say, "Oh well. We did so well for twenty years I guess I should expect to lose money for quite a while cause my compe ion has always lost money.

[monty4329]

You own a business that has turned a profit for twenty years and this year you lost money. You would be mad, and demanding answers so this would not happen, again. or you might say, "Oh well. We did so well for twenty years I guess I should expect to lose money for quite a while cause my compe ion has always lost money.

If the reason you are losing money this year is because last year an employee stole 19 million with a carryover damage to this year, the rational MO is continue to do what generated profits for the last 20 years. Doesn't seem too complicated to grasp.

[duncan2k5]

It's funny how everyone agrees with OP, and I've been saying the exact same thing that everyone in here has been saying, and I've been saying it for a long time... It's hypocrisy... When I say it, everyone disagrees... It's hilarious at this point

[duncan2k5]

beating the drum even when decancer practically slit his wrists after the trade

This comment is ing hilarious!!!!

[emanueldavidginobili]

Pop is just old and behind the times and refuses to adapt. The second oldest coach is Mike who was ahead of his time from the get go even though it didn’t win him anything but that’s actually how the nba is played now. So I won’t count him there’s only 3 other coaches in the entire league that’s in their 60s and they’re in their early 60s. Pop is 70 years old I think only two other coaches in the history of the game coached at 70 Hubie Brown and Larry Brown. It’s time hang it up, and get some fresh blood in there.

[BackHome]

I honestly think this will be Pops last year as head coach I think the team is going to take a serious nose dive
and Pop is going to realize it’s time to hang it up. I agree this summer is critical they need a completely new road map I think they need to get rid/trade/buy out - Gasol, Forbes, Mills, and DEROZZ.

[Hoops Czar]

I honestly think this will be Pops last year as head coach I think the team is going to take a serious nose dive
and Pop is going to realize it’s time to hang it up. I agree this summer is critical they need a completely new road map I think they need to get rid/trade/buy out - Gasol, Forbes, Mills, and DEROZZ.

Except he won't be hanging it up. He'll be moving from the bench to the press box which is actually more detrimental to the team's future success. He almost has to because he can't leave "puppeteer" Buford in charge of running the team unsupervised unless you're Okay with watching the Spurs from Seattle. I don't think I've witnessed a GM get so much credit for doing absolutely nothing as RC Buford has over the last 20 years.

[spursistan]

so spurs circa early 1990's.

It's worse. At least we had D-Rob back then-- a superstar in his early prime/peak around who you could build ..We don't have anything close to that right now.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop deserves to go out however he wants, tbh..he's the best coach of all-time, this franchise will never see anybody like him again..

He didn't want to coach a lottery team in his final years and he believed DeRozan would be good enough to ensure that..it looked like a sound plan early on, but you can't blame somebody for mental health issues which have detailed the Spurs..just unfortunate for that + Murray's injury that killed the plan for this season..

[Othyus Lalanne]

I honestly think this will be Pops last year as head coach I think the team is going to take a serious nose dive
and Pop is going to realize it’s time to hang it up. I agree this summer is critical they need a completely new road map I think they need to get rid/trade/buy out - Gasol, Forbes, Mills, and DEROZZ.

Why? Ownership sucks now?

Pop deserves to go out however he wants, tbh..he's the best coach of all-time, this franchise will never see anybody like him again..

He didn't want to coach a lottery team in his final years and he believed DeRozan would be good enough to ensure that..it looked like a sound plan early on, but you can't blame somebody for mental health issues which have detailed the Spurs..just unfortunate for that + Murray's injury that killed the plan for this season..

Mental health issues?

[ElNono]

Not sure why people act surprised, tbh, losing a winner like Manu will set any team back in a major way, on gameplay, smarts, locker room, etc... even 40 year old Gino showed more guts than half this roster, tbh...

[r0drig0lac]

Not sure why people act surprised, tbh, losing a winner like Manu will set any team back in a major way, on gameplay, smarts, locker room, etc... even 40 year old Gino showed more guts than ALL this roster, tbh...

..

[MaNu4Tres]

It’s hard to say how much it hurt, but not having DJ and White together definitely hurts bad. However, that is a ton of pressure on those two young guys which doesn’t seem optimal.

Even though that is a legit excuse, there are plenty of issues to address.

With the way Pop & RC tried to put a ton of pressure on Kawhi, Danny and LA with the terrible Pau & Patty deals, it wouldnt surprise me if they think the help around Derrick & Dejounte is good enough.