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    Coal companies regularly profit on negative externalities.

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Environmental groups said in court Monday that the Tennessee Valley Authority is essentially storing toxic ash from an aging Tennessee coal-fired power plant in a colander, letting pollutants seep into a major river in violation of the Clean Water Act.

    In the bench trial that began Monday in federal court in Nashville, TVA responded that the Tennessee Clean Water Network and Tennessee Scenic Rivers Association can't prove the federal utility is polluting the water supply in violation of the law or its permits at the Gallatin Fossil Plant, 40 miles outside Nashville.

    The trial follows a related 2015 state lawsuit by Tennessee environmental officials against the nation's largest public utility, which powers 9 million customers in parts of seven Southern states. The environmentalists don't think the state required sufficient changes from TVA at the plant to safeguard against contamination of the berland River.

    In opening remarks, environmental attorney Beth Alexander said the coal ash facility essentially didn't hold any waste for the first eight years it was in use, letting 27 billion gallons of coal ash seep from sinkholes into groundwater and the river. TVA filled some of those sinkholes, Alexander said, but many still exist.

    "There's a direct hydrological connection between the groundwater and the berland River," said Alexander, an attorney with the Southern Environmental Law Center, which is helping in the case. "Ash goes into the ash ponds, through the groundwater and ends up in the river."

    In TVA's defense, attorney David Ayliffe said that the utility took effective steps to fix its leaks in the 1970s. Those problems are in the past, he said.

    "There's no evidence of a karst pipeline extending up into the pond and sucking water out," Ayliffe said, referring to rocks that dissolve, including limestone.

    The utility says it's investing billions of dollars in safer ways to store coal ash and other waste from burning coal across its operations.

    That includes converting all of its wet coal-ash storage to dry storage, a decision made after a 2008 coal ash disaster at TVA's Kingston Fossil Plant. More than 5 million cubic yards of sludge from the plant spilled into the Emory and Clinch rivers that year, destroying homes in a nearby waterfront community.

    The Gallatin plant sits on a bend of the river, which extends almost 700 miles from eastern Kentucky headwaters through Tennessee to meet up with the Ohio River in western Kentucky. Nearby residents have private wells and the berland River supplies drinking water to Nashville, about 40 miles away, among other areas.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/claims-co...210330514.html

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    Trash's DOJ will defend BigCoal, just Like it won't defend Obama's OT rule

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    In Trump's America coal ash will be sold for construction uses instead of disposed of.

    #MAGA

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    In Trump's America coal ash will be sold for construction uses instead of disposed of.

    #MAGA
    Why has coal ash in concrete not been done so far?

    Like in the concrete of Trash's buildings? He's such an leading edge innovator.

    Not economical?

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    Trash gonna bring back all the coal jobs

    Wind, solar produce 10 percent of US electricity for first time

    http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...for-first-time

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    In Trump's America coal ash will be sold for construction uses instead of disposed of.

    #MAGA
    Link?

    Or is that too much to ask?

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    OP do you sell solar products? Sounds like you have a financial stake in this.

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    Clean coal – Coal company owner admits it’s a dirty lie

    Robert Murray is the CEO of Murray Energy, America’s largest privately-owned coal-mining company.

    Murray was in Washington recently to attend a meeting of the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity.

    Scott Pruitt, the alleged administrator of the EPA, was present to tell the group about his plan to counterattack climate scientists by hiring a bunch of charlatans supported by the Koch Brothers and other fossil fuel interests to say whatever they are paid to say, no matter the consequences.

    How odd, then, that at a conference on clean coal, Murray told the press, “Carbon capture and sequestration does not work.

    It’s a pseudonym for ‘no coal.’

    It is neither practical nor economic, carbon capture and sequestration.

    “It is just cover for the politicians, both Republicans and Democrats that say, ‘Look what I did for coal,’ knowing all the time that it doesn’t help coal at all.”

    http://redgreenandblue.org/2017/07/2...its-dirty-lie/



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    ‘Fossil fuels are dead’ says rail baron who hauls 800,000 carloads of coal a year


    CEO of CSX won’t buy any new locomotives for coal, undercutting Trump’s claims coal can be revived.


    There’s no future in transporting coal, says Hunter Harrison, CEO of CSX freight railroad.

    Harrison told analysts on Wednesday that CSX, one of the country’s largest transporters of coal, won’t buy any new locomotives to haul the fuel. “Coal is not a long-term issue,” he said. The company currently hauls some 800,000 carloads of coal a year.


    “Fossil fuels are dead,” Harrison continued. “That’s a long-term view. It’s not going to happen overnight. It’s not going to be in two or three years. But it’s going away, in my view.”


    Harrison joins a chorus of experts who understand that economic reality makes President Donald Trump’s pledges to significantly expand the use of coal just empty words.



    “These [coal plants] will not reopen whatever anything President Trump does,” as Bloomberg New Energy Finance explained earlier this year, “nor do we see much appe e among investors for ploughing money into U.S. coal extraction?—?stranded asset risk will trump rhetoric.”


    https://thinkprogress.org/fossil-fuels-are-dead-says-rail-baron-b177af077344

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    ‘Coal is dead’ and oil faces ‘peak demand,’ says world’s largest investment group

    BlackRock investment group, with $5 trillion in assets, is bullish on electric cars and renewables

    “Coal is dead,” Jim Barry, the global head of BlackRock’s infrastructure investment group, explained in a recent interview.

    BlackRock, the world’s largest investment group, with $5 trillion in assets — more than the world’s largest banks — has begun to bet on clean energy.

    Why? “The thing that has changed fundamentally the whole picture is that renewables have gotten so cheap,” said Barry.


    No, the world’s coal plants are not going to all down shut tomorrow, Barry noted to The Australian Financial Review(subscription required).

    But anyone who’s looking to take beyond a 10-year view on coal is gambling very significantly.”

    https://thinkprogress.org/coal-is-dead-692729aa910d



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    Utility blows $7.5 billion only to prove clean coal is a cruel hoax

    Beginning in 2010, Southern Company, one of the nation’s largest utilities, began construction of a new electricity generating facility in Kemper County, Mississippi. Its sole mission was to prove once and for all that clean coal technology worked.

    Projected to cost $3.5 billion, the project is now 3 years overdue and $4 billion over budget.


    Now the company has run up the white flag of surrender. It announced this week that it is “immediately suspending start-up and operations activities” for coal gasification at the Kemper County plant.

    After years of being pushed by the Mississippi public utilities commission to rein in the runaway project, it is abandoning the whole idea and will operate the facility on natural gas instead.

    http://redgreenandblue.org/2017/07/0...al-cruel-hoax/



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    Ya, you Repugs sure are all for no gov't handouts and St Ronnies "get gov't off our backs."

    West Virginia Gov. Justice Asks Trump for $4.5 Billion to Save Eastern Coal
    Miners in Western states say proposal goes against free market principles


    West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice is asking President Donald Trump to extend his support for the coal industry by providing some $4.5 billion a year in federal funding for Eastern coal, a proposal miners in Western states say goes against free-market principles.
    The governor, who days ago switched parties to Republican from Democrat,

    whole article: https://www.wsj.com/articles/west-vi...oal-1502312048

    Gee I wonder if maybe, just maybe this es switching to Repug and asking for a 4.5 billion handout is in any way shape or form tied to his voting the way McConnell and Trump want him to in upcoming votes.

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    OP do you sell solar products? Sounds like you have a financial stake in this.
    Nope. Thought about it though.

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    In Trump's America coal ash will be sold for construction uses instead of disposed of.

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    Since coal contains trace levels of trace elements (like e.g. arsenic, barium, beryllium, boron, cadmium, chromium, thallium, selenium, molybdenum and mercury), fly ash obtained after combustion of this coal contains enhanced concentrations of these elements, and therefore the potential of the ash to cause groundwater pollution needs to be evaluated.[37] In the USA there are do ented cases of groundwater pollution which followed ash disposal or utilization without the necessary protection means.[38]

    In 2014, residents living near the Buck Steam Station in Dukeville, North Carolina, were told that "coal ash pits near their homes could be leaching dangerous materials into groundwater
    In Trumps America, kids grow up with damaged nervous systems.

    Maybe you want us to start using lead pipes again? You first.

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    In Trumps America, kids grow up with damaged nervous systems.

    Maybe you want us to start using lead pipes again? You first.
    and 3000 water systems have MORE lead than Flint water

    America of the lower 80% in unstoppable decline, as is the American environment

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    In Trump's America coal ash will be sold for construction uses instead of disposed of.

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    they made it easier to dump ash in streams like two days after this post.

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    Federal jury sides with sickened workers and families in Tennessee coal ash cleanup case

    More than 30 workers assigned to cleanup work at the Kingston coal ash site have died.

    More than 30 workers assigned to cleanup work at the Kingston site have died and more than 250 are sick or dying.

    Many of the workers’ family members also are believed to have been sickened by exposure to the coal ash the workers brought home on their skin and clothing after each day on the job, the Knoxville News Sentinel
    reported.

    a worker for Jacobs Engineering
    testified that the company was more worried about public perception than worker safety.

    A company supervisor told the worker, Robert Muse Jr.,

    to report any other workers who were wearing respiratory gear to clean up the coal ash and that the employees would be dealt with —

    the company didn’t want the workers wearing safety gear for fear about how that would look.

    Jacobs Engineering did not want to give the appearance that the coal ash was something the public should worry about.

    https://thinkprogress.org/federal-ju...-51572c2868c9/

    but still, coal ash is not considered a toxic substance by oligarchy-captured govt regulators

    but marijuana is Schedule I (gotta lock up the knittas and mexicans and hippies)


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    wow

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    here's another article about the clean up crews.

    they were denied basic protective gear by their employers.

    But it also concentrates dozens of naturally occurring heavy metals, including known carcinogens and toxins such as arsenic, cadmium, lead, vanadium, chromium, as well as radioactive uranium and radon. These metals pose the greatest health threat from coal ash. Even without a catastrophic spill, they can leach into and contaminate groundwater. Attached to fine particles of ash they can drift through the air, blowing onto skin and into nostrils.



    Some coal ash particles are so fine—less than 2.5 microns in diameter, a 30th the width of a human hair—that they can be sucked deep into the lungs and become a health hazard even without toxic hitchhikers. PM 2.5, as such particles are called, are also in smog, smoke, and auto exhaust, and they’re a known cause of numerous respiratory and cardiovascular diseases and a significant cause of global mortality.
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...ide-toxic-ash/

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    who expects coal-lobbyist EPA chief Wheeler to categorize coal ash, finally, as a toxic substance?

    Repugs govern, MORE people suffer and die

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    here's another article about the clean up crews.

    they were denied basic protective gear by their employers.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...ide-toxic-ash/
    But, but, the jobs!!!

    Stuff like this is my go-to response when asshats start blathering about "coal jobs".

    That and black lung.

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    But, but, the jobs!!!

    Stuff like this is my go-to response when asshats start blathering about "coal jobs".

    That and black lung.
    That recent Frontline about black lung was sad. Coal needs to die.

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    That recent Frontline about black lung was sad. Coal needs to die.
    FWIW, there's an excellent Netflix doc, "Blood on the Mountain" that's worth watching. Also the older, "Harlan County".

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    That recent Frontline about black lung was sad. Coal needs to die.
    Agreed. My home state of Wyoming clocks 50 MPH winds and has some of THE best wind power sites in the country, but the coal companies regularly over hte wind power companies through their control of the lege.

    Can't come soon enough IMO.

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    FWIW, there's an excellent Netflix doc, "Blood on the Mountain" that's worth watching. Also the older, "Harlan County".
    "negative externality". Saw part of "Blood" and yes, it is worth watching. Should finish it sometime.

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