Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[djohn2oo8]

The hype around the Steele dossier raised expectations insanely. Hard to imagine the eventual report will satisfy la cultish resistencia or tinhat Trumplandia.

Did it? Because people from Trumpland are going to prison for the exact things listed in it

[Winehole23]

It suggested Putin has Trump by the short and curlies.

I could be wrong, but I doubt clear kompromat will be revealed.

Fwiw, I agree with other posters that short of direct conspiracy and kompromat that the revealed record so far is very damning.

But I also think the hype that you and Spurs Homer bring everyday will make the report seem less dramatic than it already is.

Y'all inflated Trump's legal culpability. That will have been a mistake when the report comes out.

[djohn2oo8]

It suggested Putin has Trump by the short and curlies.

I could be wrong, but I doubt clear kompromat will be revealed.

Fwiw, I agree with other posters that short of direct conspiracy and kompromat that the revealed record so far is very damning.

But I also think the hype that you and Spurs Homer bring everyday will make the report seem less dramatic than it already is.

Y'all inflated Trump's legal culpability. That will have been a mistake when the report comes out.

Trump’s legal culpability is he is under investigation in multiple ways, his businesses, Russia, etc. sorry that hasn’t been inflated

[djohn2oo8]

Ignorance doesn’t work in court and it has been proven now Trump has lied multiple times about Russia. That right there increases his culpability.

[djohn2oo8]

Not to mention his submitted answers to Mueller. Should those answer be lies that would very much expose him legally

[Winehole23]

Trump’s legal culpability is he is under investigation in multiple ways, his businesses, Russia, etc. sorry that hasn’t been inflated

investigation=/=culpability.

Talk of treason and conspiracy by Trump himself has been exaggerated, no doubt about it. Trolls like TSA will feel vindicated by the lack of smoking guns and criminal referrals in the eventual report, and you will be partly to blame, for raising expectations unreasonably.

[djohn2oo8]

investigation=/=culpability.

Talk of treason and conspiracy by Trump himself has been exaggerated, no doubt about it. Trollsnlike TSA will feel vindicated by the lack of amoming guns and criminal referrals in the eventual report, and you qill be partly to blame for it for raising expectations unreasonably.

So everyone on Trumps team acted on their own?

[djohn2oo8]

Trump literally dictated his sons statement about adoptions himself. So yeah that could be included in obstruction. But keep going though.

[Winehole23]

So everyone on Trumps team acted on their own?

Trump needn't have directed them, no. I think he knew he was surrounded by scoundrels and thieves, and I think he had an intuition they all stood to make a lot of money somehow. All on its own that's really bad, but it isn't necessarily treason or conspiracy.

If Trump unlocked the door of the house, that doesn't necessarily mean he knew what the thieves were going to steal or on behalf of whom they planned to do the stealing.

Where you see a treason syndicate, I see organized crime with compartmentalized knowledge and plausible deniability.

[Winehole23]

Trump literally dictated his sons statement about adoptions himself. So yeah that could be included in obstruction. But keep going though.

it could be, sure.

thay's not treason or "collusion" though.

It'a obstruction.

[TSA]

Not to mention his submitted answers to Mueller. Should those answer be lies that would very much expose him legally

CROFL coming from the pussy too scared to answer a yes or no question. Watch.

If Mueller's report comes out and says no collusion will you accept his answer? yes or no.

[Winehole23]

Not to mention his submitted answers to Mueller. Should those answer be lies that would very much expose him legally

it very well might.

but Mueller might simply mention the deception without referral to any authority but the US Congress, and where would that leave us?

[TSA]

Once Mueller submits his report I expect we'll start seeing what Huber and Horowitz have been up to.

[hater]

Calling it now

The report will be heavily redacted and both re ed sides will say it vindicates them

Will bump this next week but saving ya lemmings some grief

[Trill Clinton]

From Reddit:

People need to realize this point is moot: whether or not Trump is actively aware, and intentionally operating on behalf of Russia, he has still done more in two years to advance the agenda of this hostile foreign nation, to the detriment of the US, than any other person in recent memory.

We seem hopelessly entangled in answering the question of whether he's knowingly operating on Russia's behalf and have neglected the fact that he is actively aiding Russia and harming us egregiously in the process. We have become blind to the what while we hunt for the why.

There is no cir stance where Trump ought not be immediately impeached for the things we have witnessed occur in plain sight. If you see someone on the street stabbing people, do you stand by on the sideline and ponder what events in this murderer's life led him to stab people? No, you remove him from the street and put him in a cell to prevent him from harming people, and then you uncover a motive.

Just consider what we know he has done:

He advanced a withdrawal from Syria - against all counsel of all relevant experts - to Russia's delight. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has refused to enforce sanctions legally codified into law - and in some cases reversed standing sanctions on Russian companies. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has denounced his own intelligence agencies in a press conference with Putin on election meddling - and publicly endorsed Putin's version of events. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has conducted FIVE completely private meetings and conferences with Putin, and has gone to great lengths to prevent literally anyone, even people in his administration, from learning what was discussed. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has lied countless times about having business interests in Russia, which have been clearly and undeniably proven false in extremely public ways. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He pulled out of the INF treaty, which allows Putin to create missiles that can threaten Europe with impunity, whereas before, there would be sanctions and severe penalties for doing so. The US already has all the weaponry that the INF would ban the development of, so this offers us literally nothing, while allowing Russia to develop powerful new weapons to challenge our allies. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

Trump insults the President of Montenegro, a country I am extremely confident he never knew existed up until that point, for literally no apparent reason... except Putin was furious at them. There's quite literally no possible other justification for this. I dare someone to even try. And of course, no explanation was ever provided to the American people.

And no list would be complete without his repeated threats to pull out of NATO, over money, a move so catastrophically stupid, so inconceivably cosmically myopic, I truly can't express the profundity of the idiocy. Suffice to say, pulling out of NATO would be like the only guy in a prison yard with a shotgun just throwing it over the fence for absolutely no reason, suddenly giving the people with crude homemade shivs complete power. Again, no explanation beyond the pitiful ramblings of a single real estate con man was ever provided to the American people for this decision.
At every step, he has handed Russia enormous concessions with no justification. He takes Putin's word - a notorious liar - at face value, always, above all of his own countrymen, and even the people he himself hired to lead his agencies.

And just consider that very fact alone - the fact that Trump just keeps believing things, coincidentally the things Russia says - over what everyone in his own administration tell him. The CIA, FBI, and assorted US intelligence agencies are the largest and most equipped in the world. And Donald Trump just basically shrugged and said he believed Vladmir Putin instead - because... he seemed like a nice guy? The absurdity here is self-evident. Putin is the guy accused of the crime - interfering in our election - and the US president just believes his word over his own intelligence apparatus.

You cannot be a rational person and justify this. In no rational world is this defensible. This is either treason or profound and alarming incompetence and gullibility. There is no world, after Helsinki, where someone could have made the case that Donald Trump ought to keep acting as chief executive of the US.

Now let us also remember, Russia is nothing compared to the US. The US has infinitely more muscle than Russia. This is why the policy - right up until Trump - has been to deal with them through sanctions and military conflicts where necessary.

They agitate, they hit and run, but Russia is an organized crime state whose economy is nearly collapsed, whose leadership consists of a coalition of loosely allied kleptocrats, oligarchs, and billionaires, all of whom are just as likely to knife each other as their foreign adversaries.

Had Clinton won, she would have continued her policy she advanced at the State Department, and sanctioned Russia until Putin's government imploded from the stress of Putin's brutality and kleptocracy. Which, obviously, is why he pulled out all the stops to ensure Clinton did not win the election.

The evidence is unambiguous. Trump - for reasons we do not know but ought not really care - betrayed, is betraying the US to Putin's Russia, each and every day.

So, I ask - why do we care whether he's a card-carrying Russian agent enthusiastic about the cause, a victim of blackmail, a seeker of quid pro quo, or just a really gullible imbecile?

He is clearly and transparently committing treason right out in the open. He has sacrificed our security and our interests to advance Russia's. Ignorance is not an excuse here. Let the courts sort that out, but this is far and away grossly impeachable behavior, and a level of embarrassing and humiliating subservience the likes of which have never been witnessed from an American leader on the world stage.

And let's not forget - let's always footnote talk about Trump's treason with the fact that this is just one of MANYseparate, discrete, and unique massive, impeachable scandals. On top of pursuing the agenda of a hostile foreign nation, he also committed numerous acts of campaign finance violation, stood behind and refused to condemn nazis and white supremacists, publicly attacked private citizens and the media, condemned his own agents and agencies for legally investigating him, told nearly ten thousand lies about things ranging from serious to extremely mundane, appointed his own family members to positions far above their capacity (breaking many ethics laws and vetting procedures to do so and get them clearance).

And the list goes on. Seriously, it goes on and on and on and on. I could exhaust myself listing out the oaths Trump has betrayed, the crimes he has committed, the many more crimes he has probably committed, the cons utional amendments he has attacked or condemned, all of which, in and of themselves, should warrant impeachment or serious scrutiny.

The last President was impeached, by Republicans, for one - one - count of perjury, about a meaningless sexual exploit. Which was an actual example of a perjury trap, by the way, wherein the prosecutor gets the defendant on the stand, on the record, for a crime - in this case, the Whitewater investigations into Clinton's real estate dealings, and then questions him about something embarassing but irrelevant and not illegal, compelling the defendant to lie and commit perjury to prevent embarassment.

That's what Republicans thought qualified a previous President for impeachment.

And now we come to Trump, who has a list of genuine impeachable criteria so long I legitimately can't remember all of them in one go. of these things. All of these individual scandals or crimes or gross acts of idiocy demonstrating severely compromised judgment and ability to execute the powers of the office.

And then you add actual treason on top of it. A violation of America and its interests not only inconceivable in its treachery, but to a far, far, far weaker adversary.

So what the fukk is he still doing in the oval?

[boutons_deux]

William Barr is preparing to release Robert Mueller’s report as early as next week


https://www.salon.com/2019/02/20/wil...-week_partner/

To be accompanied by 1000s (more) lies and slander from Trash and his mafiya.

[Pavlov]

Once Mueller submits his report I expect we'll start seeing what Huber and Horowitz have been up to.

So you say nothing will come of the Mueller report

What do you say will come of the other two?

[DMC]

Well if you didn't personally go out and investigate, you prove that you don't care.

I dont care so I agree

[TSA]

From Reddit:

People need to realize this point is moot: whether or not Trump is actively aware, and intentionally operating on behalf of Russia, he has still done more in two years to advance the agenda of this hostile foreign nation, to the detriment of the US, than any other person in recent memory.

We seem hopelessly entangled in answering the question of whether he's knowingly operating on Russia's behalf and have neglected the fact that he is actively aiding Russia and harming us egregiously in the process. We have become blind to the what while we hunt for the why.

There is no cir stance where Trump ought not be immediately impeached for the things we have witnessed occur in plain sight. If you see someone on the street stabbing people, do you stand by on the sideline and ponder what events in this murderer's life led him to stab people? No, you remove him from the street and put him in a cell to prevent him from harming people, and then you uncover a motive.

Just consider what we know he has done:

He advanced a withdrawal from Syria - against all counsel of all relevant experts - to Russia's delight. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has refused to enforce sanctions legally codified into law - and in some cases reversed standing sanctions on Russian companies. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has denounced his own intelligence agencies in a press conference with Putin on election meddling - and publicly endorsed Putin's version of events. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has conducted FIVE completely private meetings and conferences with Putin, and has gone to great lengths to prevent literally anyone, even people in his administration, from learning what was discussed. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has lied countless times about having business interests in Russia, which have been clearly and undeniably proven false in extremely public ways. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He pulled out of the INF treaty, which allows Putin to create missiles that can threaten Europe with impunity, whereas before, there would be sanctions and severe penalties for doing so. The US already has all the weaponry that the INF would ban the development of, so this offers us literally nothing, while allowing Russia to develop powerful new weapons to challenge our allies. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

Trump insults the President of Montenegro, a country I am extremely confident he never knew existed up until that point, for literally no apparent reason... except Putin was furious at them. There's quite literally no possible other justification for this. I dare someone to even try. And of course, no explanation was ever provided to the American people.

And no list would be complete without his repeated threats to pull out of NATO, over money, a move so catastrophically stupid, so inconceivably cosmically myopic, I truly can't express the profundity of the idiocy. Suffice to say, pulling out of NATO would be like the only guy in a prison yard with a shotgun just throwing it over the fence for absolutely no reason, suddenly giving the people with crude homemade shivs complete power. Again, no explanation beyond the pitiful ramblings of a single real estate con man was ever provided to the American people for this decision.
At every step, he has handed Russia enormous concessions with no justification. He takes Putin's word - a notorious liar - at face value, always, above all of his own countrymen, and even the people he himself hired to lead his agencies.

And just consider that very fact alone - the fact that Trump just keeps believing things, coincidentally the things Russia says - over what everyone in his own administration tell him. The CIA, FBI, and assorted US intelligence agencies are the largest and most equipped in the world. And Donald Trump just basically shrugged and said he believed Vladmir Putin instead - because... he seemed like a nice guy? The absurdity here is self-evident. Putin is the guy accused of the crime - interfering in our election - and the US president just believes his word over his own intelligence apparatus.

You cannot be a rational person and justify this. In no rational world is this defensible. This is either treason or profound and alarming incompetence and gullibility. There is no world, after Helsinki, where someone could have made the case that Donald Trump ought to keep acting as chief executive of the US.

Now let us also remember, Russia is nothing compared to the US. The US has infinitely more muscle than Russia. This is why the policy - right up until Trump - has been to deal with them through sanctions and military conflicts where necessary.

They agitate, they hit and run, but Russia is an organized crime state whose economy is nearly collapsed, whose leadership consists of a coalition of loosely allied kleptocrats, oligarchs, and billionaires, all of whom are just as likely to knife each other as their foreign adversaries.

Had Clinton won, she would have continued her policy she advanced at the State Department, and sanctioned Russia until Putin's government imploded from the stress of Putin's brutality and kleptocracy. Which, obviously, is why he pulled out all the stops to ensure Clinton did not win the election.

The evidence is unambiguous. Trump - for reasons we do not know but ought not really care - betrayed, is betraying the US to Putin's Russia, each and every day.

So, I ask - why do we care whether he's a card-carrying Russian agent enthusiastic about the cause, a victim of blackmail, a seeker of quid pro quo, or just a really gullible imbecile?

He is clearly and transparently committing treason right out in the open. He has sacrificed our security and our interests to advance Russia's. Ignorance is not an excuse here. Let the courts sort that out, but this is far and away grossly impeachable behavior, and a level of embarrassing and humiliating subservience the likes of which have never been witnessed from an American leader on the world stage.

And let's not forget - let's always footnote talk about Trump's treason with the fact that this is just one of MANYseparate, discrete, and unique massive, impeachable scandals. On top of pursuing the agenda of a hostile foreign nation, he also committed numerous acts of campaign finance violation, stood behind and refused to condemn nazis and white supremacists, publicly attacked private citizens and the media, condemned his own agents and agencies for legally investigating him, told nearly ten thousand lies about things ranging from serious to extremely mundane, appointed his own family members to positions far above their capacity (breaking many ethics laws and vetting procedures to do so and get them clearance).

And the list goes on. Seriously, it goes on and on and on and on. I could exhaust myself listing out the oaths Trump has betrayed, the crimes he has committed, the many more crimes he has probably committed, the cons utional amendments he has attacked or condemned, all of which, in and of themselves, should warrant impeachment or serious scrutiny.

The last President was impeached, by Republicans, for one - one - count of perjury, about a meaningless sexual exploit. Which was an actual example of a perjury trap, by the way, wherein the prosecutor gets the defendant on the stand, on the record, for a crime - in this case, the Whitewater investigations into Clinton's real estate dealings, and then questions him about something embarassing but irrelevant and not illegal, compelling the defendant to lie and commit perjury to prevent embarassment.

That's what Republicans thought qualified a previous President for impeachment.

And now we come to Trump, who has a list of genuine impeachable criteria so long I legitimately can't remember all of them in one go. of these things. All of these individual scandals or crimes or gross acts of idiocy demonstrating severely compromised judgment and ability to execute the powers of the office.

And then you add actual treason on top of it. A violation of America and its interests not only inconceivable in its treachery, but to a far, far, far weaker adversary.

So what the fukk is he still doing in the oval?

add in Trump's support to overthrow Maduro

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/0...or-russia.html

Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017

Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017

U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017

Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017

Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017

Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017

Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017

Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017

U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017

Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018

Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

Trump's 'energy dominance' strategy is undercutting Russia's influence and business in Europe - Reuters, Feb 9 2018

Trump looks to deter Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon - The Hill, Feb 12 2018

American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle - The Drive, Mar 16 2018

Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate - CBS, Mar 26 2018

Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air defense - Lithuania Tribune, Apr 3 2018

Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany - AA, Apr 4 2018

Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet - Vice, Apr 6 2018

Trump orders missile strike on Syria military targets - CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

Aluminum Stocks Jump As Trump Sanctions Target Putin Pal - Investors, Apr 9 2018

Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal - Times of Israel, May 9 2018

Trump to NATO allies: Raise military spending to 4 percent of GDP - AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ - Politico, Jul 12 2018

U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles - Ahval, Jul 27 2018

Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning - NBC News Aug 8 2018

Space Force Is Trump’s Answer to New Russian and Chinese Weapons - FP, Aug 10 2018

US Sanctions Chinese En y Over Purchase of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury - Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

Trump hints at punitive action against India for buying S-400 from Russia - India Today, Oct 11 2018

Trump Agrees to Boost Pentagon's Budget to $750 Bln in 2019 - Reports - Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia - Guardian, Oct 21 2018

Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships - Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

2 Trump Moves Cost This Russian-American CEO $2.3B - Forbes, Jan 14 2019

[TSA]

add in Trump's support to overthrow Maduro

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/0...or-russia.html

Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017

Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017

U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017

Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017

Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017

Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017

Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017

Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017

U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017

Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018

Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

Trump's 'energy dominance' strategy is undercutting Russia's influence and business in Europe - Reuters, Feb 9 2018

Trump looks to deter Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon - The Hill, Feb 12 2018

American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle - The Drive, Mar 16 2018

Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate - CBS, Mar 26 2018

Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air defense - Lithuania Tribune, Apr 3 2018

Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany - AA, Apr 4 2018

Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet - Vice, Apr 6 2018

Trump orders missile strike on Syria military targets - CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

Aluminum Stocks Jump As Trump Sanctions Target Putin Pal - Investors, Apr 9 2018

Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal - Times of Israel, May 9 2018

Trump to NATO allies: Raise military spending to 4 percent of GDP - AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ - Politico, Jul 12 2018

U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles - Ahval, Jul 27 2018

Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning - NBC News Aug 8 2018

Space Force Is Trump’s Answer to New Russian and Chinese Weapons - FP, Aug 10 2018

US Sanctions Chinese En y Over Purchase of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury - Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

Trump hints at punitive action against India for buying S-400 from Russia - India Today, Oct 11 2018

Trump Agrees to Boost Pentagon's Budget to $750 Bln in 2019 - Reports - Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia - Guardian, Oct 21 2018

Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships - Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

2 Trump Moves Cost This Russian-American CEO $2.3B - Forbes, Jan 14 2019

[djohn2oo8]

Once Mueller submits his report I expect we'll start seeing what Huber and Horowitz have been up to.

Let me know if you find that Susan Rice indictment

[TSA]

So you say nothing will come of the Mueller report

What do you say will come of the other two?

If I knew what were coming from the other two I wouldn't have said "we'll start seeing what Huber and Horowitz have been up to"

[djohn2oo8]

If I knew what were coming from the other two I wouldn't have said "we'll start seeing what Huber and Horowitz have been up to"

How do you know if they have been up to anything if you don’t think they have been?

[TSA]

Let me know if you find that Susan Rice indictment

Let me know when your pussy ass finds enough courage to answer a simple yes or no question.

If Mueller's report comes out and says no collusion will you accept his answer? yes or no.

[Pavlov]

If I knew what were coming from the other two I wouldn't have said "we'll start seeing what Huber and Horowitz have been up to"

can't even guess anymore.

Probably best for you considering your track record.