ESPN Real Plus Minus at the All-Star Break

[Drom John]

WINS

#61 Jayson Tatum
#62 Rudy Gay
#63 PJ Tucker
#64 LaMarcus Aldridge
#65 Buddy Hield

#68 Montrezl Harrell
#69 Davis Bertans
#70 Robert Covington

#73 Hassan Whiteside
#74 DeMar DeRozan
#75 Justise Winslow

#95 Mikal Bridges
#96 Derrick White
#97 Marcus Morris

#109 Kelly Olynik
#110 Patty Mills
#111 Nikola Mirotic

#158 Dorian Finney-Smith
#159 Bryn Forbes
#160 Tyus Jones

#163 Tony Snell
#164 Jakob Poeltl
#165 Mitc Robinson

#201 Terrance Ferguson
#202 Marco Belinelli
#203 Robin Lopez

#231 Dante Exum
#232 Pau Gasol
#233 T.J. McConnell

#305 Jason Smith
#306 Dante Cunningham
#307 Kevin Love

#311 Raymond Felton
#312 Quincy Pondexter
#313 Kyle O'Quinn

#354 Dirk Nowitzki
#355 Drew Eubanks
#356 Tyler Dorsey

#436 Jawun Evans
#437 Chimezie Metu
#438 Tyler Davis

[Drom John]

RPM

#32 Brook Lopez
#33 Davis Bertans
#34 Al Horford

#41 Nemanja Bjelica
#42 Rudy Gay
#43 Danilo Galinari

#73 Mike Muscala
#74 Derrick White
#75 Cory Joseph

#100 Meyers Leonard
#101 LaMarcus Aldridge
#102 Cody Zeller

#111 Lou Williams
#112 Pau Gasol
#113 Josh Hart

#118 Marcus Morris
#119 Jakob Poeltl
#120 Dewayne Dedmon
#121 DeMar DeRozan
#122 Joakim Noah

#127 Danuel House, Jr.
#128 Patty Mills
#129 Bogdan Bogdanovic

#222 Ray Spalding
#223 Drew Eubanks
#224 Wayne Ellington

#257 Dario Saric
#258 Bryn Forbes
#259 Kyle Korver

#292 Troy Caupain
#293 Quincy Pondexter
#294 Chris Boucher

#316 Bobby Portis
#317 Marco Belinelli
#318 Enes Kanter

#414 Jerome Robinson
#415 Dante Cunningham
#416 Quinn Cook

#440 DeAndre' Bembry
#441 Chimezie Metu
#442 Jerian Grant

[Drom John]

Offense RPM

#24 Bradley Beal
#25 Patty Mills
#26 Chris Paul

#30 D.J. Augustin
#31 Davis Bertans
#32 D'Angelo Russell

#48 John Collins
#49 Marco Belinelli
#50 Klay Thompson

#75 Montrezl Harrell
#76 Rudy Gay
#77 Otto Porter, Jr.

#90 Jordan Clarkson
#91 LaMarcus Aldridge
#92 Domantas Sabonis

#109 Kelly Olynik
#110 Bryn Forbes
#111 Andre Iguodala

#113 Andrew Wiggins
#114 DeMar DeRozan
#115 Jeff Teague

#126 Gary Harris
#127 Derrick White
#128 Tomas Satoransky

#145 Larry Nance, Jr.
#146 Jakob Poeltl
#147 Harrison Barnes

#314 Mike Scott
#315 Drew Eubanks
#316 Haywood Highsmith

#332 Alex Caruso
#333 Quincy Pondexter
#334 Josh Okogie

#354 George King
#355 Pau Gasol
#356 Quincy Acy

#385 C.J. Williams
#386 Dante Cunningham
#387 Jaron Blossomgame

#478 Ryan Anderson
#479 Chimezie Metu
#480 Lance Thomas

[Drom John]

Defense RPM

#21 Joakim Noah
#22 Pau Gasol
#23 Brook Lopez

#58 Cheick Diallo
#59 Rudy Gay
#60 Lance Thomas

#83 Dewayne Dedmon
#84 Derrick White
#85 Bismack Biyombo

#149 Caleb Swanigan
#150 Drew Eubanks
#151 Kyrie Irving

#169 Ivan Rabb
#170 Jakob Poeltl
#171 Mikal Bridges

#177 Raymond Felton
#178 Davis Bertans
#179 Malcolm Brogdon

#210 Carmelo Anthony
#211 Quincy Pondexter
#212 PJ Dozier

#220 Keita Bates-Diop
#221 Chimezie Metu
#222 Markelle Fultz

#234 Ska Labissiere
#235 LaMarcus Aldridge
#236 Goran Drajic
#237 Johnathan Motley
#238 DeMar DeRozan
#239 Johnathan Williams

#324 Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot
#325 Dante Cunningham
#326 Zach Lofton

#445 Trey Burke
#446 Bryn Forbes
#447 Emmanuel Mudiay

#466 Landry Shamet
#467 Patty Mills
#468 Cameron Payne

#486 Jamal Crawford
#487 Marco Belinelli
#488 Kevin Knox

[Twisted_Dawg]

Where does the nephew rank?

[Fireball]

so Pau is our most efficient defender? damn

[Drom John]

Where does the nephew rank?

WINS
#37 Donovan Mitc
#38 Nephew
#39 Jerami Grant

RPM
#35 Monte Morris
#36 Nephew
#37 Draymond Green

ORPM
#20 Luka Doncic
#21 Nephew
#22 Monte Morris

DRPM
#263 Dragan Bender
#264 Nephew
#265 Davon Reed

[ernest787]

it's official. DDR is a better defender than Nephew.

[phxspurfan]

My ninja Bert reppin hard on the Bonner list (RPM)

[Keepin' it real]

Get those geek stats outta here. Just tell me points per game. That's all that matters.

[exstatic]

Get those geek stats outta here. Just tell me points per game. That's all that matters.

You gonna yell at us to get off your lawn, too?

[TKOK]

I am all for advanced stats, but i am curious how these sites come up with their values.

https://www.basketball-reference.com.../SAS/2019.html for example has hat a very different estimation.

This site Loves Jakob and Davis, and is pretty low on Lonnie and Bryn.

[RC_Drunkford]

so Pau is our most efficient defender? damn

according to Chinook he is

[Indianman]

Man, as someone who is just half an year old as a poster on this forum, I gotta appreciate Drom John's efforts in getting the numerical data.

You da best, homes

[Coach X]

Offense RPM

#24 Bradley Beal
#25 Patty Mills
#26 Chris Paul

It's absurd to try to draw conclusions from single stats. No matter how advanced they are.

You need a combination of stats, video watching, basketball knowledge, game understanding and analysis in order to understand what is really happening on the court. It's still not enough information to know what's going on in a team until you don't know personally the people involved and live around the team on a daily basis. External opinions are always biased due to lack of information.

But hey, it's really cool and we have fun with it. Don't we?

[R. DeMurre]

Almost all stats have the potential to create anomalies, and that's why it's important to look at multiple stats. I've found that looking at both RPM and PER is a pretty good place to start. If a player ranks high in one but low in the other, there's a chance something might be off, but players that do well in both of those systems generally tend to be legitimate contributors. Another stat I like to look at is the ORtg and DRtg on basketball-reference.com: I find the better players almost always have separation between this two numbers, and the flashier but less effective/empty stat players often don't.

[itzsoweezee]

The fact that Forbes starts over Bertans is mind boggling

[KDKSpurs24]

The fact that Forbes starts over Bertans is mind boggling

I don’t really like it but it’s for the best.. otherwise you’ll have more Mills/Forbes lineups and you definitely don’t want that.

[SpurPadre]

WINS
#37 Donovan Mitc
#38 Nephew
#39 Jerami Grant

RPM
#35 Monte Morris
#36 Nephew
#37 Draymond Green

ORPM
#20 Luka Doncic
#21 Nephew
#22 Monte Morris

DRPM
#263 Dragan Bender
#264 Nephew
#265 Davon Reed

Nephew's numbers are skewed because he's only played like 10 games, tbh.

[SpurPadre]

I don’t really like it but it’s for the best.. otherwise you’ll have more Mills/Forbes lineups and you definitely don’t want that.

No, we can just not play Forbes at all. He's HORRIBLE. But that's not happening.

[KDKSpurs24]

No, we can just not play Forbes at all. He's HORRIBLE. But that's not happening.

That’s an option too but I said it because I know it’s not happening.

[itzsoweezee]

I don’t really like it but it’s for the best.. otherwise you’ll have more Mills/Forbes lineups and you definitely don’t want that.

Forbes is getting 8 more minutes per game than Bertans. There is no team in the league that would play Bryn over Bertans like that. It's crazy