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  1. #76
    Veteran Killakobe81's Avatar
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    of all the GOATs up for debate, the only one where there is literally zero rational argument against them is Gretzky. You'd have to be re ed, or just a contrarian of the highest order, to think anyone else even comes close. Lemieux might have made the debate slightly interesting if not for his health problems, but it is what it is.
    I actually prefer Super Mario, but it's like arguing Mike Irvin over Jerry Rice

    Kings got past his prime Gretzky otherwise I might feel differently

  2. #77
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    WWE- Stone Cold NBA - MJ NFL - Brady

  3. #78
    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Left turn driving: Ernie Earnhardt

  4. #79
    Veteran namlook's Avatar
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    Basketball - Kareem Abdul Jabbar (put college and NBA career together best ever)
    Baseball - W. Mays (lost years to war otherwise would have beat Ruth in homers)
    Football - J. Brown
    Golf - Tie -Tiger pre sex scandal but overall Jack Nicklaus
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    Yes on Kareem being the greatest basketball player of all time. No one touches him when you consider NBA and college achievements.
    Last edited by namlook; 02-21-2019 at 02:29 AM.

  5. #80
    Veteran Killakobe81's Avatar
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    Basketball - Kareem Abdul Jabbar (put college and NBA career together best ever)
    Baseball - W. Mays (lost years to war otherwise would have beat Ruth in homers)
    Football - J. Brown
    Golf - Tie -Tiger pre sex scandal but overall Jack Nicklaus
    Boxing - Ali
    Hockey - Gretzky
    Greatest Overall Athlete - Bo Jackson pre-injury, all star in NFL and MLB
    Great list

  6. #81
    coffee's for closers FrostKing's Avatar
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    Mickey Mantle and Greg Maddux deserve mention

  7. #82
    my teammates suck Luka Doncic's Avatar
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    people giving Jim Brown credit for trucking a bunch of 200 lb white linebackers. Pretty much any current starting RB would get 1500+ yds a season in that era. Guys like Zeke, Gurley, Barkley are putting up 2K with little resistance.
    Last edited by Luka Doncic; 02-22-2019 at 01:02 AM.

  8. #83
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    Djokovic will surpass Federer anytime soon

  9. #84
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    Mickey Mantle and Greg Maddux deserve mention
    Baseball allows more leeway in how you can divide players, since left handed batters and pitchers have natural built in advantages. Maddux is probably the GOAT right handed pitcher, while Mantle is the GOAT switch hitter. Mays GOAT right handed hitter and overall position player, Bonds GOAT left handed hitter. GOAT left hander is probably Randy Johnson. Catcher is another position you can't really directly compare across the board, and I'd go with lefty's boyhood hero Gary Carter or Ivan Rodriguez.

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  11. #86
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Boxing: Rocky Marciano
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    Shoulda went with Cobb. They called Ruth part n***er back then.

  12. #87
    BLACK LIVES MATTER Play Boban's Avatar
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    Boban = GOAT in PER.

  13. #88
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    Chess: Magnus Carlsen

  14. #89
    TB 2 TB Silver&Black's Avatar
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    Chess: Magnus Carlsen
    That dude is absolutely amazing. I don't know if I would call him the GOAT only because I don't know enough about the history of chess. I know a little bit, but wouldn't call myself anything other than just a novice fan. Bobby Fischer beat the Russians...and that is probably a more historic accomplishment that anything Magnus has accomplished. But, I don't want to take away anything from Magnus...like I said two seconds ago...I just don't know enough about it.

    However, I remember this video about Magnus and it might be the most impressive thing I've ever seen (chess wise). Dude is playing and beating 10 players without looking at the boards. Just keeping track of all the pieces in his mind. Wow.....


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    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
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    That dude is absolutely amazing. I don't know if I would call him the GOAT only because I don't know enough about the history of chess. I know a little bit, but wouldn't call myself anything other than just a novice fan. Bobby Fischer beat the Russians...and that is probably a more historic accomplishment that anything Magnus has accomplished. But, I don't want to take away anything from Magnus...like I said two seconds ago...I just don't know enough about it.

    However, I remember this video about Magnus and it might be the most impressive thing I've ever seen (chess wise). Dude is playing and beating 10 players without looking at the boards. Just keeping track of all the pieces in his mind. Wow.....

    the real issue you face with ranking GOATS in chess is that the players are just objectively better now. they study a lot more and train with computers and .

    paul morphy is one of the original GOATS from the 1800's and basically set the stage for modern positional chess, but he'd get annihilated today. you had wild attackers like fischer and tal who people couldnt deal with 50 years ago, but they'd get picked apart by any modern defensive player

    its not that players have gotten better/smarter its that the game has just reached a more advanced stage

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    Don Bradman, Garfeild Sobers, Brian Lara, Sachin Tendulkar, Muththaia Muralidharan (Cricket)

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    QB...Tom Brady
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    CB..."Night Train" Lane
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    The Amazing Lon Myers

    Lon Myers in 1880
    Personal information
    Birth name Laurence Eugene Myers
    Nationality American
    Born February 16, 1858
    Richmond, Virginia, USA
    Died February 16, 1899 (aged 41)
    Sport
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    Event(s) 50 yards to one mile
    Club Manhattan Athletic Club
    Turned pro 1886
    Achievements and les
    National finals 15 United States, 10 Canadian, and 3 British national championships
    Highest world ranking World records at:
    • 250 yards
      (26.0 seconds; 1882)
    • 350 (36.8; 1881)
    • 400 (43.675; 1882)
    • 440 on grass (49.4; 1885)
    • 500 (58.0; 1880)
    • 600 (1:11.4; 1882)
    • 660 (1:22.0; 1880)
    • 800 (1:44.4; 1882)
    • 840 on grass (1:48.6; 1885)
    • 880 on grass (1:56.5; 1885)
    • 1,000 (2:13.0; 1881)

    The Incredible Tom Longboat


    Members of his family wouldn't even believe how fast he could run over such a long distance until he gave his brother a half an hour head start driving a horse and buggy while he ran on foot, and yet he still made it to Hamilton first.[citation needed]
    Longboat's chief rival was Alfred Shrubb, whom he raced ten times, winning all the races at 20 miles or more and losing all those at shorter distances.
    Longboat served as a dispatch runner in France in World War I while maintaining a professional career. He was twice wounded and twice declared dead while serving in Belgium. Stories said that he had entered a communication trench which was buried by an exploding s , where he and his comrades were trapped for six days (albeit with sufficient oxygen and provisions) before being rescued.[4] However, Longboat himself debunked that particular myth in an interview with Lou Marsh in 1919.[5] He retired following the war.[3]
    While officially an amateur, Longboat had lost only three total races, one of which was his first, the Victoria Day race. By the time he had turned professional, he owned two national track records and several unofficial world records. After joining the professional ranks, he set world records for the 24 and 32-kilometer races and had nearly set the world record for 19 kilometers.[4]


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  18. #93
    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
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    wrestling is fake

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    Pro Wrestling is not fake.

    The biz is all about giving an illusion of violence with a predetermined outcome. THAT....is "PRO" wrestling. That is very real. As is the very real chance of legit injury.

  20. #95
    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
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    Pro Wrestling is not fake.

    The biz is all about giving an illusion of violence with a predetermined outcome. THAT....is "PRO" wrestling. That is very real. As is the very real chance of legit injury.

  21. #96
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    You never seem to really get it.

    Everybody knows what "PRO" wrestling is. You aren't suppose to think it's real, you are to approach like you do a movie. You get into it and play along.

    What they do is very real, and without some very serious training you can forget it. Pulling off a match is very real, there is just nothing on punches, kicks, etc. And the finish has been worked out. All that is real.

  22. #97
    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
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    You never seem to really get it.

    Everybody knows what "PRO" wrestling is. You aren't suppose to think it's real, you are to approach like you do a movie. You get into it and play along.

    What they do is very real, and without some very serious training you can forget it. Pulling off a match is very real, there is just nothing on punches, kicks, etc. And the finish has been worked out. All that is real.





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  24. #99
    Board Man Comes Home Clipper Nation's Avatar
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    And it's going to be impossible for anyone to ever challenge Wayne since the NHL has turned more defensive over the years, with the larger pads and butterfly goaltending technique. Maybe ClipperNation can elaborate.
    The biggest factor by far is the '90s Devils popularizing the neutral-zone trap, as well as goalies abandoning the stand-up technique after seeing Patrick Roy have success with the butterfly technique. Both of those changes caused scoring to plummet and brought on the "Dead Puck Era." Things are better now in terms of scoring than they were before the '04 lockout, but we'll probably never see Gretzky-level dominance again.

  25. #100
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    Abstract

    Over the past several years, professional wrestling, now referred to as sports entertainment, has become a hugely popular cultural phenomenon. There are several reasons to account for why tens of millions of Americans are attracted to this form of entertainment, but this article centers attention on three allures that stand out: excitement, intrigue, and political incorrectness. Content analysis suggests that these three foci form the core of pro wrestling program content. The present paper identifies the macrosocial forces that explain sociologically why these themes are especially marketable today: community breakdown, social disenchantment, and political correctness.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    You simply don't get it and never will.

    There are sites out that dwarf this place talking about "PRO" wrestling.

    Words like....book...push...babyface...heel...put over.

    NOBODY NOBODY NOBODY....thinks the action is real...but the biz is very real.

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