Those Knicks are just too damn good, huh?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah, the SA s triiiiiiiiiiied oh such a valiant effort, such a remarkable job against such a heavyweight team in the mighty Knicks, an elite team that is virtually impossible to be beaten at home.....

but they triiiiiiiiied, right?


Joke franchise
pls relocate to save the Robinson/Duncan legacies (srs)

[daslicer]

Yeah, the SA s triiiiiiiiiiied oh such a valiant effort, such a remarkable job against such a heavyweight team in the mighty Knicks, an elite team that is virtually impossible to be beaten at home.....

but they triiiiiiiiied, right?


Joke franchise
pls relocate to save the Robinson/Duncan legacies (srs)

A re like you doesn't understand that legacies are destroyed once a team relocates. Nobody remembers Payton-Kemp after the Sonics relocated to OKC. Nobody remembers the George Mikan Lakers after they relocated to LA. Same would happen with Drob/Duncan.

[slick'81]

Its only march tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

A re like you doesn't understand that legacies are destroyed once a team relocates. Nobody remembers Payton-Kemp after the Sonics relocated to OKC. Nobody remembers the George Mikan Lakers after they relocated to LA. Same would happen with Drob/Duncan.

Austin's armpit, Fat Antonio, seems to forget what Parker and Leonard did for the city. Who gives a .

[Millennial_Messiah]

A re like you doesn't understand that legacies are destroyed once a team relocates. Nobody remembers Payton-Kemp after the Sonics relocated to OKC. Nobody remembers the George Mikan Lakers after they relocated to LA. Same would happen with Drob/Duncan.

Nobody forgot the Payton years and Ray Allen's prime, don't be a dummy. But the bigger picture is that the Sonics never won anything noteworthy (usually blocked by the Jazz and such) while the Spurs won 5 les -- that will NEVER EVER be forgotten by any. Also, Tim Duncan is arguably the greatest player of all time and certainly the best as his position.

As long as the history is preserved in SA and the franchise begins a new history in a new city (or resumes from 2008- in the case of Seattle) nobody will forget the all-time winningest franchise that was the Spurs from the Gervin years up to 2017.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Austin's armpit, Fat Antonio, seems to forget what Parker and Leonard did for the city. Who gives a .

Leonard? just like American historians remember what Benedict Arnold did to help the U.S. in the Revolutionary War, huh?


You certainly must mean Duncan and Robinson... Gervin 3rd... after that it's a debate between Parker and Ginobili at 4th and 5th. But guys like Leonard and Rod Strickland are forgotten and rightfully so.

[Pavlov]

This thread makes no sense.

The Cowboys should've moved over a decade ago using this logic.

[Genovaswitness]

team isn’t moving until at least the mid 2030s per the agreement from the AT&T center remodel. by then, SA will be a bona fide city. Austin can only get so big. Houston and Dallas are what they are

[Millennial_Messiah]

This thread makes no sense.

The Cowboys should've moved over a decade ago using this logic.

Cowboys aren't a small market team. Apples and oranges.

[cjw]

This thread makes no sense.

The Cowboys should've moved over a decade ago using this logic.

You mean two decades ago. Last conference championship appearance was 2 years ago vs. 23 years ago.

[Millennial_Messiah]

team isn’t moving until at least the mid 2030s per the agreement from the AT&T center remodel. by then, SA will be a bona fide city. Austin can only get so big. Houston and Dallas are what they are

2033,

but the new buyers after the Holts sell will indeed have brain cells and easily pay the penalty to break the lease and relocate. The Sonics broke a lease to relocate, too, and they played in a city that actually cared. You didn't see empty seats in the lower decks in the 3rd quarter in Seattle because they were out getting Starbucks, huh? But San Antonio and Whatabooger, on the other hand... . Seattle has arguably the loudest fans in sports, see CenturyLink Field.

San Antonio has nonchalant fat mexican s who mostly just care about booze and food and who's ing who tonight. Sports are secondary... it's like the college fraternity culture with regards to college football. Sure the game is all ok or whatever, but the real story is who's prepping the house for the rage fest tonight! Who's buying the roofies for when the chicks get in, etc.

Mark my words. San Antonio will NOT support a perennially losing team like, say, the Kings over the past 13 years or the Bobcats of the late 2000s or the Browns of the NFL. Should they fall to the 20-25 win range that represents the NBA's cellar, the average attendance will fall to roughly 4,000 mostly in the mid and upper decks. The team will have to be sold. And relocated. And the taxpayers will like it. Prices will go down in SA, and all will be well again. And we'll still always have the legacy of George Gervin, David Robinson, Manu, TP9, and most importantly... the GOAT, TD.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You mean two decades ago. Last conference championship appearance was 2 years ago vs. 23 years ago.

You're missing a couple huge points. Basketball relies on a 82-game schedule, and NBA stadiums hold around 25-30% of what NFL stadiums hold in terms of max occupancy. Football prices are much higher because it's a 16-game schedule and the NFL is the #1 sport in the #1 nation in the world. And the Dallas Cowboys, like it or not, are the Celtics/Lakers of the NFL. They'll always have hundreds of millions of fans no matter what, traveling from across the country to see them play in Dallas. Additionally, away team fans scalp seats to watch their favorite team play in Dallas because the stadium holds 94,000 people. Not to mention, DFW is the 4th largest metro area in the USA. Even if the Cowboys went 2-14 for the next 10 years, they'd be at or near sellout because of all the combined factors.

The Spurs are a small market team in a small metro area that has a bad rap as a military epicenter, and not really many pure private sector jobs. It's not likely to grow all that much. People don't want to move there, they want to visit to see the Alamo and riverwalk and SeaWorld, maybe try an authentic taqueria or two. House prices remain very low for a reason. Crime continues to soar. And the white population continues to fall at a rate of 3% per year. People don't want to live there.

San Antonio WILL NOT financially be able to support a worse than mediocre team for any significant length of years.

[TheGreatYacht]

2033,

but the new buyers after the Holts sell will indeed have brain cells and easily pay the penalty to break the lease and relocate. The Sonics broke a lease to relocate, too, and they played in a city that actually cared. You didn't see empty seats in the lower decks in the 3rd quarter in Seattle because they were out getting Starbucks, huh? But San Antonio and Whatabooger, on the other hand... . Seattle has arguably the loudest fans in sports, see CenturyLink Field.

San Antonio has nonchalant fat mexican s who mostly just care about booze and food and who's ing who tonight. Sports are secondary... it's like the college fraternity culture with regards to college football. Sure the game is all ok or whatever, but the real story is who's prepping the house for the rage fest tonight! Who's buying the roofies for when the chicks get in, etc.

Mark my words. San Antonio will NOT support a perennially losing team like, say, the Kings over the past 13 years or the Bobcats of the late 2000s or the Browns of the NFL. Should they fall to the 20-25 win range that represents the NBA's cellar, the average attendance will fall to roughly 4,000 mostly in the mid and upper decks. The team will have to be sold. And relocated. And the taxpayers will like it. Prices will go down in SA, and all will be well again. And we'll still always have the legacy of George Gervin, David Robinson, Manu, TP9, and most importantly... the GOAT, TD.

Good post up until the mention of role player Manure in the same sentence as legends.

[Genovaswitness]

2033,

but the new buyers after the Holts sell will indeed have brain cells and easily pay the penalty to break the lease and relocate. The Sonics broke a lease to relocate, too, and they played in a city that actually cared. You didn't see empty seats in the lower decks in the 3rd quarter in Seattle because they were out getting Starbucks, huh? But San Antonio and Whatabooger, on the other hand... . Seattle has arguably the loudest fans in sports, see CenturyLink Field.

San Antonio has nonchalant fat mexican s who mostly just care about booze and food and who's ing who tonight. Sports are secondary... it's like the college fraternity culture with regards to college football. Sure the game is all ok or whatever, but the real story is who's prepping the house for the rage fest tonight! Who's buying the roofies for when the chicks get in, etc.

Mark my words. San Antonio will NOT support a perennially losing team like, say, the Kings over the past 13 years or the Bobcats of the late 2000s or the Browns of the NFL. Should they fall to the 20-25 win range that represents the NBA's cellar, the average attendance will fall to roughly 4,000 mostly in the mid and upper decks. The team will have to be sold. And relocated. And the taxpayers will like it. Prices will go down in SA, and all will be well again. And we'll still always have the legacy of George Gervin, David Robinson, Manu, TP9, and most importantly... the GOAT, TD.

where would the spurs get relocated?

[Millennial_Messiah]

where would the spurs get relocated?

Seattle would be an obvious choice if the Pelicans don't go first, the betrayal of Anthony Davis doesn't bode well for a team that has been struggling with major attendance issues throughout its post-Katrina existence in NOLA..

But if not Seattle there's plenty of better options than San Antonio. KC is quite Seattle-like with its rowdiness. Cincinnati is a good choice, better than SA, and their metro area extends all the way down to Louisville and Lexington, KY. And up to Columbus. Basketball loving folks, huh? Other options include STL (meh, baseball town), BAL (would avoid), Nashville (too small), Tampa or Jacksonville (too small/crappy fan support), and Vegas (certainly the "in" thing lately).

I'd probably avoid the deep South as a general rule when considering a destination for my sports team.

San Antonio isn't a big enough market to support a pro sports team through thick and thin, sadly. Even the GB Packers struggle despite all their prestige when they're not winning (but they have enough old-rich fan support across the USA to make it work, and besides, when do they ever struggle for too long? They always luck into great QBs).

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Blow. It. Up.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Blow. It. Up.

Make a food pantry out of the AT&T center... no wait, that would amplify the problem.

[Pavlov]

Cowboys aren't a small market team. Apples and oranges.

The Packers would have moved forty years ago.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The Packers would have moved forty years ago.

Packers are owned by a group of 15-20+ elite shareholders with serious Wisconsin ties, silly. That's the only way they've survived (or haven't relocated to say, Milwaukee). Also, their great QBs and fan support. For some reason they have the majority of their season ticket holders from all the way down in Madison and Milwaukee. But they have strong fan support in Texas, California, Florida, New England, etc. They just have an odd legacy, " letown", the first great NFL franchise... there's an aura about that franchise that cannot be duplicated by any other sports team in the world.

On the flipside... virtually nobody in, say, Austin is going to be a Spurs season ticket holder, even if they're a diehard fan. The logistics don't work out over a 41 game home schedule. 8 Sundays a year is very doable regardless of distance, but 41 random days including mostly weeknights? no!

[Pavlov]

Packers are owned by a group of 15-20+ elite shareholders with serious Wisconsin ties, silly..

Green Bay is publicly owned.

You just described the Spurs' ownership group.

Who do you think owns the Spurs?

People from Seattle?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Who do you think owns the Spurs?

People from Seattle?

The Holts, based in SA, of course, but the point completely flew over your head. The Packers are the only team in US major pro sports owned by a collective group of stockholders as opposed to traditional autocratic ownership. They're also consistently among the lowest payroll teams in the NFL and they haven't significantly renovated Lambeau Field in its roughly 100 year history. They keep their costs to a minimum, and rely on their prestige and legacy as one of the greatest, most world-renowned all-time sports franchises in history to survive.

The Spurs don't have that. They have 5 les in a relatively short span, yes, and a top 5 all-time player, but they're a relatively new team in a newer sport. When you think... NFL, what teams come to mind? Dallas Cowboys... Pittsburgh Steelers... Green Bay Packers... etc, in any order, but the Packers are one of the first teams that comes to mind. They have an all-world legacy that is impossible to duplicate.

What do the Spurs have?

There's a reason the NBA didn't schedule a Heatles game in San Antonio during the shortened 2012 season despite it being a "marquee" matchup, folks.

[GAustex]

The Holts, based in SA, of course, but the point completely flew over your head. The Packers are the only team in US major pro sports owned by a collective group of stockholders as opposed to traditional autocratic ownership. They're also consistently among the lowest payroll teams in the NFL and they haven't significantly renovated Lambeau Field in its roughly 100 year history. They keep their costs to a minimum, and rely on their prestige and legacy as one of the greatest, most world-renowned all-time sports franchises in history to survive.

The Spurs don't have that. They have 5 les in a relatively short span, yes, and a top 5 all-time player, but they're a relatively new team in a newer sport. When you think... NFL, what teams come to mind? Dallas Cowboys... Pittsburgh Steelers... Green Bay Packers... etc, in any order, but the Packers are one of the first teams that comes to mind. They have an all-world legacy that is impossible to duplicate.

What do the Spurs have?

There's a reason the NBA didn't schedule a Heatles game in San Antonio during the shortened 2012 season despite it being a "marquee" matchup, folks.

Sorry some of this things you say are wrong about Packers. Lambeau Field has had significant renovations and is a mega commercial enterprise. They are owned by stockholders.

[Pavlov]

The Holts, based in SA, of course, but the point completely flew over your head. The Packers are the only team in US major pro sports owned by a collective group of stockholders as opposed to traditional autocratic ownership. They're also consistently among the lowest payroll teams in the NFL and they haven't significantly renovated Lambeau Field in its roughly 100 year history. They keep their costs to a minimum, and rely on their prestige and legacy as one of the greatest, most world-renowned all-time sports franchises in history to survive.

The Spurs don't have that. They have 5 les in a relatively short span, yes, and a top 5 all-time player, but they're a relatively new team in a newer sport. When you think... NFL, what teams come to mind? Dallas Cowboys... Pittsburgh Steelers... Green Bay Packers... etc, in any order, but the Packers are one of the first teams that comes to mind. They have an all-world legacy that is impossible to duplicate.

What do the Spurs have?

There's a reason the NBA didn't schedule a Heatles game in San Antonio during the shortened 2012 season despite it being a "marquee" matchup, folks.

the Holts are major shareholders along with a small group of locals.

hundreds of thousands of people own the Packers.

You're missing even the basic facts.

As long as the local ownership group can make money in SA, they'll keep the team in SA. That was the whole point of their buying the franchise.

[Dverde]

I was busy today. Spurs lost to the Knicks!? They have scrubs playing. I love people thought these NY and Brooklyn games were automatic Ws. This team finds a way. Silly me thought this one was W and Brooklyn was L

[Millennial_Messiah]

Sorry some of this things you say are wrong about Packers. Lambeau Field has had significant renovations and is a mega commercial enterprise. They are owned by stockholders.

Isn't that what I said about the stockholders? It's basically a corporation playing amongst 31 fascist dictatorship companies. Yes, they've had renovations to add lighting and modern technology, but the place is largely the same as it was in 1920. And Wisconsinites like it that way. That's their team. It's their culture. People in Milwaukee love the Packers and don't want a team of their own, why? Because the Packers are their team and they don't mind the drive north 8 times per year. It's their tradition. People all over the USA love the Packers because it's the first dynasty the NFL ever had in its earliest paleozoic days, sort of like the Celtics before the NBA championships were played. That franchise brought millions of Americans across the USA's grandparents and great-grandparents to love football.