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    " the role players who are on the team for their ability to shoot the ball couldn't hit a shot. "

    Yes, but WHY? They almost never had an open shot. Nets defense was always contesting shots.

    There was (is, lately) zero movement on the offense. Zero. It is all iso, iso, iso all the time. Either DDR, Aldrige, even Gay. Always ISO. No movement, no timely passes, nothing: hence, bad shots.

    Playing like that, even beating the Suns will be hard.

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    MVParker dropped 21pts, 5ast, 5reb, 63fg%, +14 on this team three nights ago.

    Just wanted you faux stat nerds to know.

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    Why did Bertans start over Gay? The only explanation that makes sense is Pop wanted to keep Gay's minutes in check on the second night of a back-to-back. Other than that, nothing much Pop did hurt or helped the team. When the complementary players are 8-for-50 from the field, there's not much a coach can do to stop the ship from sinking.
    Zone defense is the answer.

    Popovich and his coaches decided to play alternative defenses: 2-3 zone after scoring, man to man otherwise. Spurs have been playing zone here and there and Gay has been very bad with it. Bertans has more experience playing zone defense coming from European professional basketball.

    I'm not sure if that was the best game plan: playing zone defense against the team more zone defense plays, therefore the team more zone defense attacks in practices and more zone defense adjustments and offenses have faced and discussed. I wouldn't blame Popovich for MSG humiliation but I'd say he had a key role on yesterdays defeat. At the end of the game, he said he was happy with the game as the Nets only scored 101 pts, made more TO's and worst shooting % than Spurs' opponents in the RRT. The truth is that Nets mixed a lot of unforced errors and bad 3pt shots with very patient and well organized offensive possessions and very good shot selection. So I won't be as happy as Popovich with the team's defense. Though, effort and fight were much better than the day before.

    Bertans played good defense to me so I won't be surprised of him starting again.
    Forbes is playing as bad defense as he's shooting accuracy, I completely disagree with coach Pop about this player. How many chances is he having? Last two or three Cunningham's sightings have been positive to me, doesn't he have more credit than fricking Brynn Forbes? I'd remove Forbes from the starting line up until he returns to play defense as he did in December and scores his shots. Try replacing him with Bertans, Mills, Belinelli, Poetl or whoever else, the defense can't be worst already.

    I know NBA teams don't do the following but I believe this should be the next FIBA to NBA adaptation Popovich brings to the league: forget about fixed starting line-ups and start adapting them game by game to the opponent. Start Poetl/Gasol vs teams playing two bigs, go back to Gay/Bertans at PF against teams playing small or start both and move DeRozan to the SG to be more physical if needed. When you are short of talent you need adaptation, flexibility and be smarter.

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    The Spurs are pretty awesome this year compared to '97 and '89, tbh
    The Spurs have been awesome since 76.

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    Offensive efficiency is great and all but the offense clearly has a fatal flaw from the lack of volume three point shooting. The team is full of good to elite three point specialists (half of them only having that as an NBA level talent) yet they take the fewest in the league. I understand their best offensive players are midrange specialists, but handicapping the only talent the team has doesn't make sense.
    For any offense to be effective, You need a facilitator. White is slowly growing into that job.

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    MVParker dropped 21pts, 5ast, 5reb, 63fg%, +14 on this team three nights ago.

    Just wanted you faux stat nerds to know.
    You are one of these stat nerds who doesn't watch the games. Are you posting to yourself, or one of your alts?

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    Bertans played good defense
    Bertans defense on Nets guards was arguably the best defense a 6-10 dude has played this year against guards. In stretches, anyway.

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    The Spurs are pretty awesome this year compared to '97 and '89, tbh
    not really saying much though there.

    I dont even get this team anymore.

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    B- for Pop is too high. I don’t know why you play zone defense when the opponent is shooting 3’s at will. The only upside, and probably gave him a higher grade, is not playing Gasol. Great to see that ship has sailed.

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    For any offense to be effective, You need a facilitator. White is slowly growing into that job.
    Agreed...if he can stay healthy. Running the way he does sadly seems to make him more prone to foot issues and strains. And if that's the case, just when we think we're rolling for years to come, down he'll go for 3 weeks.

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    Agreed...if he can stay healthy. Running the way he does sadly seems to make him more prone to foot issues and strains. And if that's the case, just when we think we're rolling for years to come, down he'll go for 3 weeks.
    Unfortunately White's plantar fasciitis won't heal up until the Summer, when he can rest it. He can play thru it, but I don't know how effective he will be.

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    Okay. Can we start Quincy Pondexter now. It cant get worst.

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    Unfortunately White's plantar fasciitis won't heal up until the Summer, when he can rest it. He can play thru it, but I don't know how effective he will be.
    He can. But he shouldn't. Especially in a meaningless last 20 games. If they start him on rest and rehab now, he will be 100% in training camp next year.

    I had my doubts about Kawhi's claim that he didn't get proper medical care. But this makes me think it could be true. Pushing White to play through this is pointless and stupid.

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    That's not exactly the stats we've previously discussed but it looks like the Spurs are in the same boat as everyone else. If the phenomenon you've theorized existed, one would imagine something in that graphic would stand out, wouldn't you think?
    You’re correct - I would think it would stand out graphically. Maybe it’s my head but I watch a lot of other teams and especially for west playoff teams it doesn’t “feel” like they lose consistently where the game is always out of reach

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    That's the nature of shooting 3's. It's high-variance ball. On a night where the 3's are falling like rain, any team can blow out any other team.

    It's funny that the biggest winning margin and the biggest losing margin were both by Utah.

    The graph can't show anything about garbage time. If the loser keeps their starters in until near the end, and cuts the deficit. Or if the subs knock down some 3's and turn a blowout into a 10 point loss, but the game is never really in question. One thing you can see is that the teams ahead of the Spurs in the standings have tighter ranges on the graph, except for maybe Utah. It doesn't say much if you're comparing the Spurs to the non-playoff teams.

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    I was genuinely surprised at how badly Vegas mishandled this one..I only put 1 unit on it, thought it was an obvious trap

    This team is just so bad on the road.. White's injury limiting him really emphasizes how bad the rest of the team is, his emergence actually made the Spurs look like a mid-tier quality team for a minute..

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    You needed data to convince you that players like Forbes, Belinelli, Bertans, Mills, and Gasol weren't going to move the needle for the Spurs? Or the fact that they literally sold a top three player and one of their best wing defenders for a salary dumped head case and got no assets of any kind in return? They sold their future for three years of mediocrity because like I told you three months ago, you need three things to compete in today's NBA. You need building blocks to attract elite free agents, assets to make trades and build a compe ive roster around your elite free agents and a front office that gets things done. The Spurs have none of the above nor do they even have much of an existence beyond this small three year window.
    I'd love for someone to grade who is a bigger tool bag between you and TD21. As if anyone and everyone doesn't realize "what is needed" to be compe ive in the NBA....

    The issue is those qualities are in short supply and the Spurs lack the biggest determining factor (elite talent).

    None of the nonsense you typed would be of concern if the team had better/elite talent at the SF, or TBH, any position.

    I forgot, you and TD21 are the forum armchair GM's and should always be trusted to know all.

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