Are there any Forbes apologists left?

[Strategic]

At 6’3” Forbes has enough size to be a perimeter defender but he sucks at it. I haven’t seen any D improvement. His offensive suction just adds another layer. Cherry on top is he will be 26 this summer. Generic syrup sucks

[John B]

The only reason he’s starting and shooting as it is because of the lack of personnel. Comes Murray, he’ll be back to 2nd unit, hopefully. It’s Belli I have problems. Very careless and somewhat doesn’t care about playing D. At least Forbes and Mills try, just really too short.

[sammy]

Tonight epitomized why I feel he's a cancer to this team and one of the biggest reasons why we're such a mediocre team. It isn't his defense, which even his biggest defenders here like Chinook acknowledge is his biggest flaw.

No for me, it's his over-aggressiveness on offense. If we all acknowledge he's a role player who's only starting because Murray is injured and "spaces the floor" why does he continually get off as many or more shots as our 3 best players in LMA, DeMar, and Gay? He was 2-14 tonight while DeMar was 9-14 and Gay 5-9. It's not just looking at the box score, anyone can see these games and see that Forbes is selfish on offense and has atrocious offensive awareness. He needs to know to pass the ball.

It baffles me how LJ praises Forbes for not being scared to shoot when to me, it's that aggressiveness that is to the team's detriment as LMA gets less touches, relegates Gay to spectator, and keeps DeMar, our best ball handler despite his up against the Raptors, away from making plays. Truth is, his aggressive shooting isn't a thing to be celebrated. We'd be better off with a more passive Forbes if Pop insists on starting him the rest of the way. He should only take open shots as a last resort and never get more than 9 shots in a game. That's what I liked about Kyle Anderson. He knew his limitations and played to his strengths while knowing to facilitate offense to more capable players. Even Bonner, who when he started as a "floor spacer" knew not to jack up shots willy nilly.

Nothing gets on my skin in this game more than a player who thinks he's better than he is. And that's where we are with Forbes, who has fallen for Pop's infamous comparison to Curry. Pop talks about players needing to be over themselves, well what about Forbes? Now HE isn't over himself, Pop. The sooner we're rid of him as a starter, the better this team will be. You can point out other flaws in this heavily flawed team but not enough is said about Forbes being a big reason for what ails them, IMO. I look forward to the team improving over him in the offseason.

I agree! He's horrible! He plays No defense and should not be shooting unless he's open! The ball should go to LMA, Gay & DeRozen! I've always said they should trade this scrub!

[FkLA]

Who should start or get minutes over him? Murray's out for the year, White has been in and out, DeRozan needs time every now and then to deal with his depression. Nobody has ever said he is a 30 MPG guy or an unquestioned starter when the team is healthy. He makes 3 mill/yr and was obviously signed to play a much smaller role--not really his fault that a series of events has made him play a bigger role. Besides, he's filled in admirably most of the year, tbh.

[jjktkk]

Who should start or get minutes over him? Murray's out for the year, White has been in and out, DeRozan needs time every now and then to deal with his depression. Nobody has ever said he is a 30 MPG guy or an unquestioned starter when the team is healthy. He makes 3 mill/yr and was obviously signed to play a much smaller role--not really his fault that a series of events has made him play a bigger role. Besides, he's filled in admirably most of the year, tbh.

Stop making sense, you're going to piss off the Spurstalk vigilante faction on here.

[MultiTroll]

Who should start or get minutes over him? Murray's out for the year, White has been in and out, DeRozan needs time every now and then to deal with his depression. Nobody has ever said he is a 30 MPG guy or an unquestioned starter when the team is healthy. He makes 3 mill/yr and was obviously signed to play a much smaller role--not really his fault that a series of events has made him play a bigger role. Besides, he's filled in admirably most of the year, tbh.

Would have rather seen RC do his pick-a-gem shot or sign a GLeager or something for minimum salary and one year only.
As is, the inevitable is just being postponed. Forbes is not good enough to be a Championship contributor and never will be. He's had some very admirable games for sure. But those games are like 15% of the time. Pops pipe dream of finding another Curry.

It's going to be another Fathead time investment where they spend 4 farking years only to end up releasing. Wayy less money for sure. Forbes is not gobbling up money but it's still going nowhere.

[NASpurs]

I think Pop encourages him to shoot. I think he'd be a nice player for the team with reduce minutes.

Pop encouraging him to play defense would be nice. The dude looks like he’s on skates.

[duncan2150]

Who should start or get minutes over him? Murray's out for the year, White has been in and out, DeRozan needs time every now and then to deal with his depression. Nobody has ever said he is a 30 MPG guy or an unquestioned starter when the team is healthy. He makes 3 mill/yr and was obviously signed to play a much smaller role--not really his fault that a series of events has made him play a bigger role. Besides, he's filled in admirably most of the year, tbh.

You can play Derozan as a SG and give more minutes to Bertans, Gay or Beli at SF. Beli or Mills are not that good but they are playing nearly 7 minutes/game less than Forbes. I agree it's not all his fault but defensively you can't play him 30 minutes and he's bad actually offensively so just give him a lesser role.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Who should start or get minutes over him? Murray's out for the year, White has been in and out, DeRozan needs time every now and then to deal with his depression. Nobody has ever said he is a 30 MPG guy or an unquestioned starter when the team is healthy. He makes 3 mill/yr and was obviously signed to play a much smaller role--not really his fault that a series of events has made him play a bigger role. Besides, he's filled in admirably most of the year, tbh.

You're right - there's really no choice now. It's not Forbes' fault, it's PATFO's fault. Forbes is a midget SG, just like Mills. , Arcidiacono would be a better PG, and the Spurs had him for a min contract. Just like Dedmon would have given some legit interior defense and rebounding, and the Spurs could have had him for $6M, but pissed on him instead.

Pop really needs to go. In fact, what the Spurs organization really needs is an FO enema.

[TimDunkem]

I thought I'd never read like "an unathletic 6'3 shooting guard has the potential to be a great defender" on this website, but here we are...Dark times when you're trying to justify Charity Case getting 30 mpg.

[DPG21920]

Who should start or get minutes over him? Murray's out for the year, White has been in and out, DeRozan needs time every now and then to deal with his depression. Nobody has ever said he is a 30 MPG guy or an unquestioned starter when the team is healthy. He makes 3 mill/yr and was obviously signed to play a much smaller role--not really his fault that a series of events has made him play a bigger role. Besides, he's filled in admirably most of the year, tbh.

Spot on . Forbes is an issue on the surface but it’s not his fault when evaluating things. He’s not been put in a spot to succeed. Spurs paid Mills to step up and he hasn’t. He should be starting over Forbes theoretically but he can’t.

The question isn’t about is Forbes shooting too much or too little; it’s about should SA have role players that are so limited. Or does SA have too many limited role players.

[Spurs da champs]

I thought I'd never read like "an unathletic 6'3 shooting guard has the potential to be a great defender" on this website, but here we are...Dark times when you're trying to justify Charity Case getting 30 mpg.

Forbes would kill to be 6'3.

[itzsoweezee]

I don't have a problem with Forbes. I think he's a good contact and a guy that can contribute. However, the role that has been assigned to him on this team is stupid. He should not be starting. The team would've been in a much better situation if it had schemed and coached around Bertans starting, and getting him a bunch of shots with the starting lineup. Look at the effort Brooklyn takes in getting Joe Harris shots compared with the Spurs. Davis basically gets shots only on fluke plays when there's a defensive breakdown and someone's feeling generous. Do the Spurs even run plays for Bertans? It seems like the game has just passed popovich by.

[Mugen]

Having a Mills, Forbes (even though I think he ing sucks), or Beli on your roster isn't the end of the world...

The issue is when you have all 3 on your roster and they all get heavy minutes and the coach thinks playing them at the same time (alongside another terrible defender in Derozan) is a good idea

[HarlemHeat37]

I was a big Forbes hater last year, but it's not his fault that the coach signed Marco Belinelli when he already had Mills and Forbes on the roster Forbes could have been playing a minor role at the end of the rotation, which would be fine given his skill-set and contract..

[r0drig0lac]

Having a Mills, Forbes (even though I think he ing sucks), or Beli on your roster isn't the end of the world...

The issue is when you have all 3 on your roster and they all get heavy minutes and the coach thinks playing them at the same time (alongside another terrible defender in Derozan) is a good idea

Derozan must be full sg with the roster we currently have, have two of Mills, Forbes and Marco on the court at the same time, it is a disrespect with the other players

[Drom John]

ESPN Real Plus Minus

WINS
169 Tony Snell
170 Bryn Forbes
171 Ersan Ilyasova

RPM
282 Quincy Pondexter
283 Bryn Forbes
284 Jarred Vanderbilt

ORPM
109 T.J. Warren
110 Bryn Forbes
111 Mason Plumlee

DRPM
452 Trey Burke
453 Bryn Forbes
454 Wayne Selden

Just SGs
WINS
31 Tony Snell
32 Bryn Forbes
33 Kent Bazemore

RPM
45 Reggie Bullock
46 Bryn Forbes
47 Dwayne Bacon

ORPM
25 DeMar DeRozan
26 Bryn Forbes
27 Gary Harris

DRPM
88 Bradley Beal
89 Bryn Forbes
90 Wayne Selden

[El Santo]

We went from the twin towers to the midget towers with forbes and mills..

[ZeusWillJudge]

Having a Mills, Forbes (even though I think he ing sucks), or Beli on your roster isn't the end of the world...

The issue is when you have all 3 on your roster and they all get heavy minutes and the coach thinks playing them at the same time (alongside another terrible defender in Derozan) is a good idea

Having any one of them on the court without four other good defenders is bad enough. But two of them on the floor together? This team looks like the Washington Generals.

[SpurPadre]

Pretty much this. Forbes is a good value player. Playing way too many minutes though due to this garbage roster.

The only reason he’s starting and shooting as it is because of the lack of personnel. Comes Murray, he’ll be back to 2nd unit, hopefully. It’s Belli I have problems. Very careless and somewhat doesn’t care about playing D. At least Forbes and Mills try, just really too short.

Who should start or get minutes over him? Murray's out for the year, White has been in and out, DeRozan needs time every now and then to deal with his depression. Nobody has ever said he is a 30 MPG guy or an unquestioned starter when the team is healthy. He makes 3 mill/yr and was obviously signed to play a much smaller role--not really his fault that a series of events has made him play a bigger role. Besides, he's filled in admirably most of the year, tbh.

I keep seeing this rationale of Murray being hurt. Well, that happened before the season even began. Should teams just throw their arms up and say, "Oh well, nothing we can do about it now!" instead of addressing the weak area? Do you see how poorly Forbes is as a starter and not do anything about it, standing pat? Is that the solution? If every team did that, there would be no such thing as trades and every team would just wait in the offseason to improve a roster. Also, this whole bull about him being cheap isn't an argument to start him. It's not his fault "a series of events" have placed him in a bigger role than was originally planned, but it's his fault for being arrogant enough to take as many shots as your second best player on the team, who was shooting well in the game. And it isn't an isolated event. He pulls this routinely. He has one of the worst RPM of any starting guard in the league and considering his MPG, it's more of a detriment compared to other players with bad RPMs. As to who would start over him? Mills would be the lesser of two evils, tbh.

[Hoops Czar]

Who's apologizing for Forbes? It's not his fault he's being gifted an NBA career. It's the George Lucas - Lloyd Daniels situation all over again.

[dbestpro]

We still do not have a true SF on the team. It is crazy that the Spurs never addressed the issue. DDR is a SG. Gay and Bertans at this point play the PF better. We need a true SF that could play some defense instead placing Forbes into the lineup and moving players around. He does not need to be a star, just serviceable on defense.

[GreekSpursfan]

Everything start with your top paid players, worst 50 million duo ever. Forbes costs nothing. I only have a problem with the 50 miilion guys, Gasol and Mills. I dont even think of Forbes. He plays because Murray and Walker were Mr glass 2.0 and in theory he can stretch the floor(he can't). Two many holes that cost significantly more before i go to Forbes is all i'm trying to say.

[TD 21]

Dwarves do not have more space in the league as important pieces unless they are anomalies like Isaiah or Lou (which are two of the most versatile scorers in the league, especially in ISO), even Curry becomes exploitable in the playoffs and would be seen otherwise if do not play on an ultra stacked team in relation to the own compe ion (see 0 fmvps in 4 finals played). JJ Re is a master of screens (and played with two of the game's best screeners in Joel and DeAndre), so he can be useful.

Shooters in 2019 must be guys that can not be exploited defensively, they do not need to have 50% 3pt peaks,they just need to be "non-exploitable" enough not to return all of their offensive production on the other side of the court. the best current examples are Joe Harris and Ladry Shamet, who have size and can shoot better than most dwarves in the league.

[SpurPadre]

Everything start with your top paid players, worst 50 million duo ever. Forbes costs nothing. I only have a problem with the 50 miilion guys, Gasol and Mills. I dont even think of Forbes. He plays because Murray and Walker were Mr glass 2.0 and in theory he can stretch the floor(he can't). Two many holes that cost significantly more before i go to Forbes is all i'm trying to say.

Yeah, this whole "Forbes is cheap and Murray is injured" excuse doesn't hold water. A plan B in dealing with injuries has to be better than Forbes. You don't throw your arms up in the air and settle for less when you're a proud, Championship franchise. Forbes costs nothing but produces nothing and you can't have such an empty void chucking shots he has no business taking on a roster with 2 All-Star caliber players.