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derozan is such a stupid got
Impact statistics:
Last year, Spurs were +5.6 points better against the opposition per 100 possessions last year when Dejounte was on the court.
This year, Spurs are +7.4 points better per 100 possessions when Derrick is on the court.
This year, Spurs are -6.4 points worse per 100 possessions when DeMar is on the floor.
This factors in both the offensive and defensive rating for the team when the specific player is on/off the court.
Note: Derrick has shared court w/ DeMar for 762 minutes this season.
DeMar has always been a very overrated player, due to the perception behind the pretty PPG statistic. Casuals and average fans love to use that stat as a barometer when assessing how good a player is.
Spurs would be better off on both ends by trading him this summer and spreading out his 20.7 possessions a game to Derrick, Dejounte, Gay( ?). All are more than capable to fulfill that workload and they would probably manufacture more efficient offense ( Spurs have a 116 ORTG w him off/111.6 w him on. Spurs also have higher eFG as a team w him off). The defense would be better as well.
I hope the Spurs consider moving him, and one or two of the Belinelli, Mills, Forbes trio moving forward.
Give some much needed leg room to Derrick, Dejounte, and Lonnie.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 02-26-2019 at 07:52 PM. Reason: Mis sp
derozan is such a stupid got
All the recent change has probably unerved them (and we know it did him) to such a degree that I suspect we'll see very little change this off season, no matter whether they squeak into the playoff or not.
Other than Gasol, Cunningham, Pondexter and possibly Forbes, I expect the rest of the roster to be retained. They'll point to whatever wing they bring in, Murray, Walker and continuity as reasons for optimism.
Unfortunately, there's probably a way better chance of DeRozan opting out in '20 and re-signing for something similar to Aldridge's extension than there is them moving on from him.
This is probably true, and it makes me feel a profound sense of anger and sadness.
Only way Demar is leaving is making a trade request. Trading him would be our front office admitting the trade was a mistake. I still have hope for him, but it’s beginning to erode.
I disagree with that. Sure, some people may see it that way, but not all. Whatever they get for DeRozan will be viewed as the haul for Kawhi.
I think many people knew SA tried to get the best package and part of that was getting valuable assets. If DeRozan is traded for something perceived to be valuable, then people will change their minds on what the Spurs got for Kawhi.
Nobody wants DeRozan. They probably couldn't even trade him into capspace, they'd have to add a pick for a team to take the non-all-star.
His offense fits nowhere and is a bad defender.
Going to have to wait him out like Pau.
This +/- analysis is very flawed. It would lead idiots to field teams of opportunistic role players like Boban (who got hurt after playing like 10 minutes last night) and Bonner, over guys who can actually ball like DeMar. Sure, he doesn't play defense, but LeBron doesn't either. That doesn't mean you ing bench LeBron, dumbass. Go back to managing your fantasy team and leave coaching to the experts.
OP is right but we can't move him this summer because his contract is terrible, next summer maybe.
Also, Forbes, Beli, Bertans, and Gasol's partial expiry are all very tradable this off season. Player like Aaron Gordon can be obtained by adding 3 of those contracts.
I bet Charlotte and desperate MJ would take him to pair with Kemba.
The eye test has been tellng me this for awhile. His iso-ball mid range game has too many teammates standing still and no ball movement. Standing still means easy to cover and lack of ball movement lead to zero confusion for opposin players. His TOs are usually out to the heavily guarded perimeter so many result in easy transition baskets the way.
Advanced stats is flawed but they can help backup what your eyes see on the court. For me, Demar hurting the teams offense/pace is clear as day.
PATFO deserve this season... trading for demar, wtf
the good news is no contract is immovable... the bad news is that PATFO would care too much about where they’d send demar
1. can you give us a reference on where you got these numbers?
2. say your computations are correct, how does that prove anything? Last year, we had a pretty good defensive squad with DJ, Danny, and Kyle. This year we don't.
Hornets, Pistons, possibly Grizzlies, Magic.
The problem is, they wouldn't get enough value to save face. The Hornets supposedly offered a lottery protected 1st (deal supposedly fell apart over the protection), Kidd-Gilchrist and Biyombo for Gasol. I know DeRozan is 4 years younger and plays a less saturated position, but they probably wouldn't go much further than that.
The Pistons supposedly offered Jackson and a 1st for Conley, while supposedly balking at including Kennard . . . and Conley, though older, less durable, more expensive and playing a more saturated position, is better than DeRozan.
There's 2 misconceptions about Demar that also hurts the spurs offense.
His passing abiltiy is better than advertised but his handles arn't. Too loose and too often fumbles when there's pressure leading to a TO.
The other is that he's a standout mid-range shooter. Again, he ain't, not even close to LA's ability. He's streaky as and opposing guards are backing off even at the keyway to see if he ON or not. Read Timvp latest grades on why it so important for him to keep shooting. More reason why this guy shouldn't be iniating or making plays with the ball.
Also not as good at getting to line and knocking down FTs as advertised. surly .
I agree, DDR is in the same sentence as LeBron. Sure.This +/- analysis is very flawed. It would lead idiots to field teams of opportunistic role players like Boban (who got hurt after playing like 10 minutes last night
DDR problem is NOT his basketball. The issue is the at ude. He obviously has zero interest in playing team basketball, he cares only about his stats. The body language is so irritating that Westbrook's misgivings pale in camparison.
He needs to be benched and to go. I could understand 15-18 minutes off the bench, but he would be even a bigger crybaby in that case. Cancer.
I have to admit that while I was singing DeMar's praises the way he was playing earlier in the season, after the first Toronto game DeMar has been fairly awful and a completely different player. I'm not completely sold that he can't succeed here because early in the year, he was doing just that. Maybe the best outcome would be for DeMar to accept a role as a sixth man eventually. I don't think it matters if that happens this year because of our utter lack of a replacement as a starter, but maybe going forward as this team will get more guard/swing options.
I'm fine with trading him depending on what they get back but I haven't fully given up on him yet. Maybe it is in large part a mental thing with him. Maybe teams just figured out what the Spurs are doing. I don't know but it is very different from earlier this year and it sucks.
trading him means, u must add other contracts on the team also since they are also hard to get rid of...
I'll be interested to see what happens this off season. Kawhi changed the direction of the organization, and while the Spurs don't always react quickly, they (usually) long-term plan intelligently. I think this season's struggles will definitely spur some change this off season.
I agree with those that say that the Spurs won't be opposed to moving Demar if it ends up making sense for the team moving forward.
It mostly depends on Pop, if he stays or if he goes. If he retires from coaching the Spurs, then all options are on the table. If they decide to acquiesce to Pop and do the politically correct thing -hire Becky- the Spurs will be on national TV every week even with an abysmal record, hence delaying for years being compe ive. Hope not.
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