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    I'm not going to sell the guy out after one-half of a bad season...but it's seriously becoming concerning. Like...WTF concerning.

    He just looks like out there. Bad shots, bad body language, can't score, isn't moving the ball properly anymore...It's like he wilted when the team actually started improving around him.

    It's almost like he checked out after that trip-dub against his former team.
    One season?? Lmfao... U clearly aren't familiar with him
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    As I have been saying from the start, we should've kept Kawhi, won 60 games, made the WCF, and then offered him the supermax in the summer. There's no way he would've walked away from that.
    Agreed. I feel like the issue was the Spurs didn’t trust Kawhi’s knee so they balked at offering the supermax. Kawhi said you and took his talents elsewhere.

    Kawhi is worth the supermax, DeRozan isn’t even worth half his contract.
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    One season?? Lmfao... U clearly aren't familiar with him
    Quit acting like you are. You don't even watch the Spurs games, so I know you sure as weren't keeping tabs on DeMar during his Toronto years.
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    I'm sorry but this team would have 20 wins max with a Saric/ Covington package. Covington has been hurt most of the season and Saric has regressed but for some reason this site has an obsession with Euro trash players.
    Ppl said the same about Indiana when they traded PG
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    Victor Oladipo was healthy that season as well Covington doesn't play.
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    Agreed. I feel like the issue was the Spurs didn’t trust Kawhi’s knee so they balked at offering the supermax. Kawhi said you and took his talents elsewhere.

    Kawhi is worth the supermax, DeRozan isn’t even worth half his contract.
    Kawhi supposedly has a degenerative knee/quad condition yet, you wanted to PATFO still offer the supermax. You and moan on here constantly, as it is, imagine finding out Leonard has a unfixable knee. You'd a brick.
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    You start the season with him, get him on the court to up his trade value and then you trade him.
    I imagine him being a one year rental with a specific destination in mind afterward had more to do with the situation than injury history. You could be right though.
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    Literally, all the other options rumoured were better. Covington, Saric and I don't know how many picks was better. Harris and two lottery picks was also better.
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    It's up to the raptors fans to decide if it was a win... And if u ask them, they're ing elated they don't have to have DDR on the team, even if Kawhi leaves... They'd rather have a shot at the finals and Kawhi leave, than to have DDR on the team... It's 100% a win for them because their fans consider it a win either way... Addition by subtraction
    The fans loved DDR, they just know Kawhi gives their historically mediocre team a chance to ring this year. That is a bit different than what you are saying. You don't have to be such a just to say Kawhi is a better player, as we all know he is.
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    First of all i'm only criticizing the "value" of the trade,as that's what this thread is about and not DDR's struggles.

    Toronto was not the only team interested in Leonard,we know that much.We know Tobias was on the table,along with picks,we know the Lakers trash+picks were on the table but the Lakers,we know Phily's RoCo+Saric+picks was on the table.That's as far as insight goes.

    Now let me ask you this.Let's say that during the past summer Pop decides that he has no interest to coach anymore,after a turbulent season and the loss of his wife,he will retire from Spurs and just coach team USA in 2020.Do you still do the DeRozan trade? Do you? I know i'm sure as not doing it.

    That's what i meant by entrapping ourselves,Leonard made this trade impossible to deal with from the start,and then the Spurs short term plans made it even harder to get even remotely better value!
    So,yes,PATFO made a pretty shortsighted trade,basically gambled on DeRozan.It's not the worse trade of the decade but it's still a bad,not well thought trade.
    We don't know how accurate all of that is, nor how serious negotiations went. There could have been more at play then Kawhi for XYZ. You also don't know their motivations. It is all speculation, despite most of you speaking in absolutes.
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    Kawhi supposedly has a degenerative knee/quad condition yet, you wanted to PATFO still offer the supermax. You and moan on here constantly, as it is, imagine finding out Leonard has a unfixable knee. You'd a brick.
    Kawhi was/is one of the top players in the league.
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    Imagine the banter on this site if Kawhi somehow reups for the Raptors .

    I mean the fact they have giddily thrown Green in this one to leave themselves defenseless at perhaps the most important position in today's league earns them no better than a D- grade as it is.

    Boiled down to: The Spurs are going to be worse off this season having gotten a return for Kawhi then when they were when he was still on the team and hiding in NY..

    Revolting stuff..
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    Kawhi supposedly has a degenerative knee/quad condition yet, you wanted to PATFO still offer the supermax. You and moan on here constantly, as it is, imagine finding out Leonard has a unfixable knee. You'd a brick.
    I would take Kawhi's on one leg over DeRozan all day. GMs, too. That's the reason why Toronto didn't get many offers for him when they were desperate to dump his salary.

    A bad playoffs' performer with depression disorder on a super-expensive contract? Give me bad quad/knee Kawhi!!

    You won't admit it but you already know if Kawhi could have played just two-three years of a super-max contract with the Spurs...still would have been worth it.


    Not the best Kawhilights -they forgot their two steals on Durant, his dunk vs Pacers in the final minutes which was 2nd best dunk of the season, his 3's in OT vs Wizards...but stil fine.

    He's still clutch.


    On one leg he's still the best finisher in the league

    https://theathletic.com/830752/2019/...a-this-season/
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    DeMar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge combined shot more mid-range shots than six teams did as a whole per game last year.


    spurs offense based on demar and lamarcus flinging up endless midrange jumpers is alt-right basketball
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    You’re just a nephew fan boy YGWHI.

    Nephew has become a soft player lately that he needs at least a week of rest. Glad he was traded to the Raptors and not LA
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    Would Kawhi have played at all this year if they just never made any move at all? That's the problem, other guys in similar positions at least showed up to work. This guy was hiding in NY, well allegedly he was depending on who you believe. Although of course in retrospect with seeing how bad the team is anyways and how close to a full tank/rebuild they are, if you know that Kawhi would have suited up and been professional about it I guess you just ride it out till judgement day and either way he leaves regardless and at that point it's full fire sale trade and bye bye Pop as well for that matter. But they really thought they could make this pairing work and stay compe ive.

    I think no matter what deal they made, whether it be something with Tobias Harris, and especially with Covington and Saric that the Spurs were screwed...Covington and Saric, I don't know what really to say about that offer except that it really shows how badly Kawhi tanked his value, those guys might have a few good qualities but I could only see the team being even worse with them. Maybe Tobias Harris would have been a better fit then Demar because he can at least shoot the three but again do we lose Danny in that trade as well? So many variables and really they always lead to losing a top 3 player for crumbs.
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    Should have held out for Pascal siakhim
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    Tobias harris went for two #1's?! Damn right we got screwed
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    Tobias harris went for two #1's?! Damn right we got screwed
    Could've jumpstarted the rebuilding process but they doubled down on fadeaway 2s, midgets, and old scrubs. Sad.
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    it still hurts.
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    not only was this an awful trade but the spurs chose the wrong time to make a move too...

    they should’ve agreed to trade him if it suited up for some games this season. and if he said no? the spurs could’ve still traded him anyways.
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    kawhi should’ve been moved for picks before the draft or during this season.
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    lol the armchair generals/monday morning QB thread


    "we should have also bought powerball tickets with the winning #s last year too"
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    i said it was poor timing when the spurs made the trade tbh.
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    Spurs had no leverage. They got the best they could under the cir stances. If you want to be mad at the Spurs for how they handled Kawhi pre-2017, then by all means, criticize. But once Kawhi demanded a trade to L.A. only, all the Spurs lost all leverage in trade talks. They tried to get some good players, but the Bostons and the 76ers of the world would not budge. I imagine they took the best deal they could. Draft picks that aren't in the lottery mean very little.
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