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    The value is whatever the appraiser agreed that it is. The property tax process goes: initial appraisal > valuation protest > re-appraisal > assessment. Whatever paperwork they submitted to get the values down was looked at by the appraisal district.

    Real estate is funny/shady like that...a company I used to work for listed an old building for sale a while ago. It sat on the market for almost a year with no good prospects. A realtor came to us and offered 75% of what we were asking and stated that it was going to be hard to sell because of the size, location, etc. It would need a very particular kind of client. So we agreed to sell it because we were close to what we thought was fair market value and didn't want to maintain it anymore. Two weeks after we finalized the paperwork with the realtor, he sold it for two times our original asking price.
    It is less clear whether Trump broke laws during his years-long crusade to skirt taxes. In an investigation published last year, the New York Times accused Trump of fraud, saying he and his siblings inherited the majority of their father’s real estate business in 1997 and claimed on tax filings that the holdings were worth only $41 million. According to the newspaper, the properties ended up selling for more than 16 times that amount. By undervaluing them, the Trump family reportedly avoided hundreds of millions in taxes.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex.../#122b63bcad85

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    That Lanny Davis speech though.

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    DMC lacks the critical thinking skills to understand the implications of exculpatory evidence.
    Talking to your audience again?

    Trump wasn't on trial. Who is the beneficiary of this exculpatory evidence and what does it have to do with presumption of innocence or Blake thinking somehow a hearing has ever been called to prove innocence?

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    Fishing for more personal details, so you can endlessly bash them with logically and morally flawed attacks? No. Find some other way to ironically dodge my critical thinking questions.

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    (shrug)

    What specific implication am I missing, and what statement leads you to think that I lack the critical thinking skills to reach a conclusion of implication?

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    Your claim, your burden of proof. Happy to walk back anything false, and admit any fault, fairly presented. I always welcome the opportunity to improve my thinking, and abandon ideas or beliefs that don't hold up.






    That isn't really an implication. That is merely a statement, which is why I left it off. I preferred that you spell things out a bit more clearly, which you have yet to do. I'm sure it makes sense in your head.

    An implication generally requires an "if.. then" statement.

    "if Trump is lying, then that implies he is hiding something."

    "if Trump is a human, then that implies he lives on planet earth"

    Fill in the blank:

    If Trump has plausible deniability about ordering someone to perjure themselves, then that IMPLIES...__________________?

    (edit)



    That isn't a construct. That is merely definitional. You have merely subs uted the definition of "plausible deniability" and claimed that is an "implication". It doesn't build on the statement, such as "lives on planet earth".
    Trump wasn't on trial.

    Plausible deniability doesn't imply anything. It simply frees Trump of the legal action that could ensue had he not had plausible deniability. Why is that so difficult to understand? You muddy the waters so much with your autism.

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    As CC says, everybody cheats at property taxes, so what's the big deal?

    A couple years ago, Lindsay Graham said it's everybody's patriotic duty to screw the IRS.

    IIRC, Trash paid off a NY appraiser to get a lower valuation. The appraiser was caught and went to jail. Reverse Midas Trash?

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    Blake thinking somehow a hearing has ever been called to prove innocence?
    I never thought, said or implied that.

    But nice dunk on your straw man. Make a poster tbh

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    You seem to lack critical reasoning skills to understand plausible deniability.
    I am pretty sure I understand plausible deniability.

    Feel free to outline what specifically you think I am missing. Provide a working definition, and then find what specifically in my statements shows a lack of understanding.
    I didn't mean you don't understand the definition of plausible deniability. I meant you lack critical reasoning skills to understand the concept and the implications of it existing.
    (shrug)

    What specific implication am I missing, and what statement leads you to think that I lack the critical thinking skills to reach a conclusion of implication?
    So then nothing has changed.

    Right there in the next sentence that you purposefully omitted: "If Trump has it, what else could he possibly need? It doesn't have to be believable by the opposition, just unactionable legally"

    [patiently, respectfully, and clearly shows DMC didn't actually imply anything, merely having restated the definition of plausible deniability].
    Plausible deniability doesn't imply anything..

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    Gym Jordan

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    You need to edit and move around to try to get a small w here, as if what I said isn't clearly visible to anyone who cares to read it.

    then you falsely paraphrase your own post.. why would I need to imply anything?

    wtf is wrong with you?

    What does "a conclusion of implication" mean? Are you drunk?

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    Lol. Was there something in this dog and pony show that should have convinced anyone that Trump is completely innocent?
    I never thought, said or implied that.

    But nice dunk on your straw man. Make a poster tbh
    Yes you did, actually.

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    Stone’s indictment doesn’t say he colluded or had a back channel with Wikileaks.

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    https://www.lawfareblog.com/do ent...nt-roger-stone

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    You need to edit and move around to try to get a small w here, as if what I said isn't clearly visible to anyone who cares to read it.

    then you falsely paraphrase your own post.. why would I need to imply anything?

    wtf is wrong with you?

    What does "a conclusion of implication" mean? Are you drunk?
    "I pwned myself and you are a meanie for having pointed it out"

    Need a hankie?

    I would be happy if you made sense at all.

    I understand what plausible deniability is, and how criminals use it to attempt to shield themselves from charges, just as more than one person in Trumps orbit have said he does.

    Honestly, I am not sure you understand the distinction between guilty in fact, and guilty in a court. You seem to lack the critical thinking skills to be able to do so.

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    When I said "implications" I was referring to the 2nd definition of the word. You are using the 1st.

    1.
    the conclusion that can be drawn from something although it is not explicitly stated.
    "the implication is that no one person at the bank is responsible"
    synonyms: suggestion, inference, insinuation, innuendo, hint, intimation, imputation, indication; More
    antonyms: explicit statement
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    a likely consequence of something.
    "a victory that had important political implications"
    synonyms: consequence, result, ramification, repercussion, reverberation, effect me
    "there was a meeting to discuss the implications of the ban"

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    "I pwned myself and you are a meanie for having pointed it out"

    Need a hankie?

    I would be happy if you made sense at all.

    I understand what plausible deniability is, and how criminals use it to attempt to shield themselves from charges, just as more than one person in Trumps orbit have said he does.

    Honestly, I am not sure you understand the distinction between guilty in fact, and guilty in a court. You seem to lack the critical thinking skills to be able to do so.
    There's presumption of guilt and then there's being found guilty by a court of law. Presumption of guilt by the opposition isn't nearly as weighty as being found guilty, just ask Cohen who's going to jail, and ask Trump who isn't.

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    What's wrong with Miami Beach Jews?
    There's nothing wrong with them except that they probably voted her in.

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    “OH MY GOD”:

    THE INSIDE STORY BEHIND COHEN’S DEPOSITION,

    THE STORMY CHECKS, AND

    HIS FINAL MONTHS OF FREEDOM


    Cathartic musings on a legal pad, a trip to the basement, and a eureka moment all led Cohen, Trump’s disgraced former lawyer, to a moment of public triumph.

    About nine boxes were there waiting for him. The first contained a bunch of junk. The second did, too. “Oh my god,” he said when he opened the third. He’d hit the mother lode.

    In the third box were

    three years of Trump’s financial statements, from 2011 through 2013,

    which Cohen pointed to on Wednesday as

    evidence that the president had purposefully inflated and deflated his personal assets when it suited him



    to secure bank loans or

    land a higher spot on the
    Forbes 400 list, for instance, or

    to lower his tax liability.

    Other do ents were potentially more damaging.

    The box also contained an e-mail with Trump Organization C.F.O.
    Allen Weisselberg, whose name came up almost as often as Trump’s in the House hearing on Wednesday.

    as he made clear on Wednesday, he is still actively participating with investigators in ongoing inquiries out of the Southern District,

    which many in Trump’s inner circle agree

    poses the most dangerous, long-lasting threat to Trump, his business, and his family—

    a point Cohen underscored in front of the committee.

    “Is there any other wrongdoing or illegal act that you are aware of regarding Donald Trump that we haven’t yet discussed today?”

    Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi asked him. “

    Yes,” Cohen responded.

    “Those are part of the investigation that’s currently being looked at by the Southern District of New York.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...U4MjIwNjUzMgS2




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    There's nothing wrong with them except that they probably voted her in.
    Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooos!

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    When I said "implications" I was referring to the 2nd definition of the word. You are using the 1st.

    1.
    the conclusion that can be drawn from something although it is not explicitly stated.
    "the implication is that no one person at the bank is responsible"
    synonyms: suggestion, inference, insinuation, innuendo, hint, intimation, imputation, indication; More
    antonyms: explicit statement
    You
    a likely consequence of something.
    "a victory that had important political implications"
    synonyms: consequence, result, ramification, repercussion, reverberation, effect me
    "there was a meeting to discuss the implications of the ban"
    (sigh)

    Trump has plausible deniability about ordering someone to perjure themselves, as a consequence, ________________?
    Trump has plausible deniability about ordering someone to perjure themselves, as a result, ________________?
    Trump has plausible deniability about ordering someone to perjure themselves, the ramification of which is ________________?
    Trump has plausible deniability about ordering someone to perjure themselves, the repercussion of which is ________________?,

    As I have noted, the "blank" is that is sometimes enough, but not always, one can avoid being convicted.

    Mob boss to hitman: It would be a shame if something were to happen to that witness.

    Hitman at trial: Mob boss never directed me to kill anyone.

    "If you read this exchange as anything other than a flat contradiction that the mob boss ever ordered anyone killed, you're simply being dishonest. "


    Plausible deniability, shielding the fact that the unspoken order wasn't explicit, but merely understood by both parties.

    Did I miss something, DMC?
    It is a rubber band that can be stretched, but also broken.

    Feel free to fill in the blank with whatever you think I don't understand, if it makes you feel better.

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    the closet anti-Semite comes out
    Amazing how people jump to conclusions - I'm just responding to hater's post - maybe people in Texas don't know that a lot of Jews live in that area.

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    Yes you did, actually.
    Lol no, idiot, that post was phrased in the form of a question directed at you because I have no idea what the point of your word salads here are.

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    Honestly, I am not sure you understand the distinction between guilty in fact, and guilty in a court. You seem to lack the critical thinking skills to be able to do so.
    There's presumption of guilt and then there's being found guilty by a court of law. Presumption of guilt by the opposition isn't nearly as weighty as being found guilty, just ask Cohen who's going to jail, and ask Trump who isn't.
    Right over your head. You don't understand it. OK.

    It is possible to be guilty in fact, but found "not guilty" at a trial? Simple yes or no here, no tricks.

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    Amazing how people jump to conclusions - I'm just responding to hater's post - maybe people in Texas don't know that a lot of Jews live in that area.
    So many Joooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos !

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    There's nothing wrong with [jews] except that [they vote for Democrats?].
    Ah. Maybe... she is a good representative?

    Being a ty DNC chair is not mutually exclusive to being a good representative, even granting the former for the sake of aruegment.

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    (sigh)

    Trump has plausible deniability about ordering someone to perjure themselves, as a consequence, ________________?
    Trump has plausible deniability about ordering someone to perjure themselves, as a result, ________________?
    Trump has plausible deniability about ordering someone to perjure themselves, the ramification of which is ________________?
    Trump has plausible deniability about ordering someone to perjure themselves, the repercussion of which is ________________?,

    As I have noted, the "blank" is that is sometimes enough, but not always, one can avoid being convicted.
    I already answered this twice.

    unactionable legally
    It is a rubber band that can be stretched, but also broken.

    Feel free to fill in the blank with whatever you think I don't understand, if it makes you feel better.
    You're confusing your feelings for the truths behind this soap opera with the implications of the testimony. Your feelings are obviously that the court of public opinion should find Trump guilty, but you felt that way before the hearing as well (as you've already stated). So the hearing changed nothing in that regards, at least where you're concerned. Implications are basically that Trump insulated himself from prosecution by not telling people to commit crimes. The guy with the thing, you know..the guy... did you talk to the guy about the thing? This is the actual court, the only one that Trump cares about. The hearing did not sway Trump supporters. They saw a desperate man trying to take down someone he thinks betrayed him.

    Again, why do I have to keep leading you to the truth only to watch to walk away chasing butterflies?

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