Talented DeMar

[sananspursfan21]

at PATFO actually making changes. They’ll just sit on their hands like always

I so badly want to disagree with this

[Drom John]

Not the same numbers but NBA.com NetRtg has the Spurs at:

+6.3 Davis Bertans
+3.8 Derrick White
+3.6 Rudy Gay
+2.8 Patty Mills
-0.2 LaMarcus Aldridge
-1.4 Marco Belinelli
-1.9 DeMar DeRozan
-2.8 Bryn Forbes
-8.6 Dante Cunningham

[RC_Drunkford]

DeRozan is the new Melo. Live with it

[bic50]

DDR problem is NOT his basketball. The issue is the at ude. He obviously has zero interest in playing team basketball, he cares only about his stats. The body language is so irritating that Westbrook's misgivings pale in camparison.

He needs to be benched and to go. I could understand 15-18 minutes off the bench, but he would be even a bigger crybaby in that case. Cancer.

I believe that demar doesn't want to be here. He's not here by choice and let it be known how upset he was about the trade when it happened. After lebron left the east he likely thought that was their chance to make it out the east then gets traded for someone many believe will only be around for one season. Plus his old team doesn't seem to be missing him at all either.

[BackHome]

I honestly think DEROZZ will ask to be traded this summer he will do it much more quietly then KY but he will ask.

[DPG21920]

Well, for one, I’m truly hoping Murray blossoms like I think he can. With the emergence of White, having Murray make the same leap would immediately cover a lot of holes. Not that it changes DeRozan at all, but that alone is more key than anything with DeRozan at the moment IMO.

But while people seem to think trading DeRozan for “lesser” players and picks would signify rebuilding, I think SA could actually win more games while getting younger if they got even a Covington like player for DeRozan which most would consider a downgrade in talent.

[sasaint]

Well, for one, I’m truly hoping Murray blossoms like I think he can. With the emergence of White, having Murray make the same leap would immediately cover a lot of holes. Not that it changes DeRozan at all, but that alone is more key than anything with DeRozan at the moment IMO.

But while people seem to think trading DeRozan for “lesser” players and picks would signify rebuilding, I think SA could actually win more games while getting younger if they got even a Covington like player for DeRozan which most would consider a downgrade in talent.

Exactly!

[kaji157]

Many wanted Aldridge out by his first and second season here.
He improved in a lot of areas since then, and the front office for sure had a lot to do with his change of at ude towards defense and changing his game style.
I feel DeMar will be evaluated the same way by Pop and the staff, if they see a player willing to adapt, committed, who can improve in the areas he lacks, they'll keep him, otherwise I think they won't have trouble finding trade partners.

[RC_Drunkford]

If DeRozan could shoot 3s he'd be way more effective and valuable. Who knows maybe that happens next season

[monty4329]

I believe that demar doesn't want to be here. He's not here by choice and let it be known how upset he was about the trade when it happened. After lebron left the east he likely thought that was their chance to make it out the east then gets traded for someone many believe will only be around for one season. Plus his old team doesn't seem to be missing him at all either.

Of course they don't miss him. I guess they couldn't even believe it when the trade finalized.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

A lot can happen during the off-season as we all know. I think if Murray comes back ready to roll and gets better shooting from distance, along with Walker getting better I think the team could really be nice next season. We most definitely need wing defenders though

[ceperez]

Well, for one, I’m truly hoping Murray blossoms like I think he can. With the emergence of White, having Murray make the same leap would immediately cover a lot of holes. Not that it changes DeRozan at all, but that alone is more key than anything with DeRozan at the moment IMO.

But while people seem to think trading DeRozan for “lesser” players and picks would signify rebuilding, I think SA could actually win more games while getting younger if they got even a Covington like player for DeRozan which most would consider a downgrade in talent.

DeRozan is going to be difficult to unload in today's league that expects their star to hit 3s and defend.

[jjktkk]

The only way you're going to be able to trade Demar is taking back a bad contract. Why would a team want to trade anything of value for DeRozan?

[bklynspursfan]

If DeRozan could shoot 3s he'd be way more effective and valuable. Who knows maybe that happens next season

I'd be curious to see if he'd be open to a 6th man role. Having a guy like Manu potentially to get him to buy in might be big. Not likely, but I feel like he'd have a chance to flourish in that type of role with him being the focal point, surrounded by shooters.

(Assuming our 3 young guys are starting, which I don't know will happen)

[sasaint]

I'd be curious to see if he'd be open to a 6th man role. Having a guy like Manu potentially to get him to buy in might be big. Not likely, but I feel like he'd have a chance to flourish in that type of role with him being the focal point, surrounded by shooters.

(Assuming our 3 young guys are starting, which I don't know will happen)

We are paying the guy way too much to be a 6th man.

Having White, Murray and LWIV all starting makes for a very small starting lineup - but, who knows, in today's NBA maybe not too small.

[ZeusWillJudge]

But while people seem to think trading DeRozan for “lesser” players and picks would signify rebuilding, I think SA could actually win more games while getting younger if they got even a Covington like player for DeRozan which most would consider a downgrade in talent.

I don't know if I'm one of those people, but I never said that. I said that DeRozan's contract was upside down. The Spurs just about have to live with what he brings, and what he doesn't, because they can't trade him without losing value.

If they had gotten some decent players with good contracts, they would have trade pieces (which they don't have right now, except for young talent on cheap contracts). Having trade pieces and picks most definitely signifies rebuilding. If that's not true, correct me.

[C-Dub]

DDR will be fine by next year. The Spurs system isn't easy to pick up which fans that have been around for a while surely understands. We will be better next season with Murray, White, Demar, Bertans and LA starting. LA is the Spurs biggest problem as the main option because he has no touch inside the paint and plays to soft. That can't be your #1option. DDR will do better I believe as a SG instead of SF. If Murray wouldn't mind the 6th man role for 1 year to try out would be great so DDR can play SG but let Murray find a way to play 28-32 minutes a game staggering him DDR and White in the guard positions. With Lonnie not getting much playing time this year I don't see him getting significant minutes for at least 1 more season. That way the Spurs could start a pretty good SF even if its Huestis. We will also need a 3rd big like a Dedmon type.

[bklynspursfan]

We are paying the guy way too much to be a 6th man.

Having White, Murray and LWIV all starting makes for a very small starting lineup - but, who knows, in today's NBA maybe not too small.

I mean at the end of the day, if he's able to make a bigger/positive impact that way, who cares if he starts or is off the bench.

You're right, that may be a small lineup tho. We'll see what happens tho. It's always been tough to judge guys in their first year here. I know people usually want results immediately, but it just doesn't work out like that always.

[sasaint]

I mean at the end of the day, if he's able to make a bigger/positive impact that way, who cares if he starts or is off the bench.

You're right, that may be a small lineup tho. We'll see what happens tho. It's always been tough to judge guys in their first year here. I know people usually want results immediately, but it just doesn't work out like that always.

The problem with paying DeMar $27MM might be minimized if he could bring himself to be the 6th man - but only until his contract is up. Then he would have to take a big cut because we will have young guys who will get a big bump in pay. DeMar will see the writing on that wall. If he goes to the bench, his value as a FA plummets, and he has no chance of sniffing an ASG ever again (and I suspect that is something he might care about).

[Ocotillo]

I honestly think DEROZZ will ask to be traded this summer he will do it much more quietly then KY but he will ask.

If this turns out to be the case, DDR is from LA, you think a deal with the Lakers could be done if the Lakers whiff on Anthony Davis and other major signings? Nephew is rumored to be interested in the Clippers, Klay Thompson wants to stay in Golden State. Magic needs something.......

[SAGirl]

Nobody wants DeRozan. They probably couldn't even trade him into capspace, they'd have to add a pick for a team to take the non-all-star.

His offense fits nowhere and is a bad defender.

Going to have to wait him out like Pau.

Depressing situation bc Pau got an extension b4 being done.
I hope not.

[rascal]

Impact statistics:

Last year, Spurs were +5.6 points better against the opposition per 100 possessions last year when Dejounte was on the court.

This year, Spurs are +7.4 points better per 100 possessions when Derrick is on the court.

This year, Spurs are -6.4 points worse per 100 possessions when DeMar is on the floor.

This factors in both the offensive and defensive rating for the team when the specific player is on/off the court.

Note: Derrick has shared court w/ DeMar for 762 minutes this season.

DeMar has always been a very overrated player, due to the perception behind the pretty PPG statistic. Casuals and average fans love to use that stat as a barometer when assessing how good a player is.

Spurs would be better off on both ends by trading him this summer and spreading out his 20.7 possessions a game to Derrick, Dejounte, Gay( ?). All are more than capable to fulfill that workload and they would probably manufacture more efficient offense ( Spurs have a 116 ORTG w him off/111.6 w him on. Spurs also have higher eFG as a team w him off). The defense would be better as well.

I hope the Spurs consider moving him, and one or two of the Belinelli, Mills, Forbes trio moving forward.

Give some much needed leg room to Derrick, Dejounte, and Lonnie.

You are not factoring in the player they get back in a trade.

[vander]

He's going to unveil his new and improved 3pt shot any day now

[monty4329]

If this turns out to be the case, DDR is from LA, you think a deal with the Lakers could be done if the Lakers whiff on Anthony Davis and other major signings? Nephew is rumored to be interested in the Clippers, Klay Thompson wants to stay in Golden State. Magic needs something.......

I wish....But there is no way LA takes a guy that can't shoot 3s. The best use of Lebron is when he is surrounded by shooters.

[monty4329]

He's going to unveil his new and improved 3pt shot any day now