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No, it knocks Murray's inability to judge female talent tbh.
By all means,if Murray takes another leap in his development next year,we're set with a great back court for the foreseeable future and i'm a happy Spurs fan.
My argument is for the past 2 seasons and this season,the past and the present.I'm not talking about the future. Maybe in 2021 he is gonna be better than Brogdon. He is gonna peak later as well.I know all those things.
But i guess with LMA's age and Pop's age and Tony and Manu on their last legs in 2016,i preferred Brogdon's "time window" with that version of the Spurs more than i did with DJ.He was more of a "sure thing" for a team already competing for a championship.
I wouldn't say Murray is a scrub he's a decent player that will get better but Brogdon and White are both better. The one that's a scrub and is going to be a bust is Walker
If Kawhitter didn't quit on the team, he would have been in the defensive team and Murray would have just been another bench scrub. Murray is injured and has a cringe worthy girlfriend. Brodgon is better and that's an objective FACT.
Is he still making a daily Instagram with that chick?
Walker will be the best of the bunch, and probably our #1 scoring option in 2-3 years. He is the most naturally talented one of the bunch.
no doubt about this
I understand your argument but you are not hearing me. Murray's defense alone along with his speed & athleticism makes him a considerably better player right now. You obviously don't agree so we agree to disagree.
White's more athletic, which might be why the Spurs pulled the trigger.
When you're outside the lottery, it's OK to take a big swing, and draft a player with both a higher ceiling and a lower floor than perhaps a more ready player who's development is very close to being done. It's less of a gamble if you're one of the premier franchises at developing young players.
LMA and DD are just a bridge to the next generation of Spurs. I don't think that it's PATFO's intention for them to be in the long term build plan.
Brogdon couldn't have saved either of the last two seasons.
No,i get what you're saying,and if we were comparing guards with a huge difference in their capabilities on defense,for example Forbes and Mills vs the elite defense of Murray,i go with Murray everytime despite his not yet developed offensive game.
But Brogdon is a good defender and not a worthless one-like the aforementioned guards,and that moves the needle heavily to his side.
LMA and DD are a bridge to the next generation of Spurs right now,in 2019.
In the summer of 2016,LMA was the 1b option of the Championship contender that was supposed to give the Warriors a run for their money in the West.DD was choking away games in Toronto.
Just cause we suck right now it doesn't mean the 60+ wins Spurs versions of the past 3 years never existed.
So,yeah,Brogdon would have helped.A lot.
Well, year one would have been in Austin, year 2 was Kawhi's rebellion, and this is year 3, so, not so much. Only the first year was a quality team. Last year was 47 wins, and that's probably what we're looking at again. To restate: Brogdon couldn't have helped last years or this year's team much, and his development curve is flat.
You can argue that Pop would have him in Austin as a rookie,but i can also argue that NBA ready players get a lot of burn in SA in their rookie year from Pop.Just like Leonard-who was NBA ready defensively and a project offensively and played 64 games in his rookie year.
But making the argument that a main cog in this years best NBA team,record wise,the 3d scoring option,a good defender,would not HELP,especially the Spurs of 2018/19,who are starting Forbes at SG out of necessity... I dunno what to tell you man.. That's asinine..
They're starting Forbes because DJ is INJURED.
If you want to settle for 16/3a/5r, and that's likely all he will ever be, i dunno what to tell you man.
You are mostly correct about the timeline. But I do think he would be a great asset this season. I don't think his development curve was, is or will be "flat." I think he came in with a high floor and he has continued to improve. I expect him to continue to add to his game as better veterans do. His curve has been slightly but steadily upward from a relatively high floor.
I also think you might be overlooking his character. He carries Spurs culture in his DNA. Perhaps Brogdon's presence would have relieved some of the pressure to sign Paul, re-sign Patty and double down on Pau.
They're starting Forbes cause DJ is injured,DDR can't shoot for ,Gay can't play SF anymore and Gasol is one step away from retirement!
The projected SL in pre season was Murray/DDR/Gay/LMA/Gasol!
That's how badly constructed this roster is!
Yes sir,give me a SG with 16/3/5 on 50%/43%/93% and good defense! White/Brogdon/DDR/Gay/LMA!
Exactly.
Why not come up with a better plan B than throwing your arms up and inserting Forbes only to say "He's only starting 'cuz DJ is injured" as a copout?
Because we're comparing and contrasting DJ and Brogdon? Forbes is a case of moving the goalposts.
Hey man,i don't have a hard on for Brogdon.
Every aspect of the conversation is orientated from my part towards with which draft pick the Spurs would be a better team.
If we had a good SG right now i probably wouldn't even bother thinking how good would the Spurs be with Brogdon instead of Murray.
Also if i didn't have the outmost confidence in Derrick White running point for the next 3 years i wouldn't want Murray and what he brings off this team for Brogdon.
It's all related around the current state of the Spurs.Team above everything,not a playerfan here.
Just a minor postponement...Dejounte and Jilly coming back next year with a vengeance!
UghJust a minor postponement...Dejounte and Jilly coming back next year with a vengeance!
And to put this argument behind us cause i really like DJ Murray,and i find tremendous value in ELITE defensive guards,i'll say this and close this whole debacle.
Brogdon is an RFA this summer and the Bucks have to choose on who to sign out of: Middleton,Bledsoe,Brogdon,Lopez,Mirotic (all FA)
If PATFO had not signed Mills and Gasol on those HORRIBLE contracts we could take a swing on Brogdon in free agency and have him NEXT to DJ and White in the rotation.
Is that better?
No. LW IV will be a better, cheaper option than Brog as a FA. He also needs time to develop, which he wouldn't get in the imaginary world where we sign Brogdon.And to put this argument behind us cause i really like DJ Murray,and i find tremendous value in ELITE defensive guards,i'll say this and close this whole debacle.
Brogdon is an RFA this summer and the Bucks have to choose on who to sign out of: Middleton,Bledsoe,Brogdon,Lopez,Mirotic (all FA)
If PATFO had not signed Mills and Gasol on those HORRIBLE contracts we could take a swing on Brogdon in free agency and have him NEXT to DJ and White in the rotation.
Is that better?
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