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    Jerry Sloan's teams used to be able to get more possessions into the final minute than anything I've seen elsewhere. They were disciplined and ran that drill to perfection. An they did it year after year, which told me that it was all about the coach.

    The Spurs used to be known for their plays and execution coming out of timeouts. Now they have a hard time even inbounding the damn ball, and getting a quality shot is more the exception than the rule. Maybe I the "new NBA" coaches can't demand precise execution from their players, but I don't see Pop being engaged like he used to be. If that's true, then the margin between him and the other coaches just isn't as great as it once was.
    Even Sloan couldn't deal with today's NBA tbh. He got into it with Deron Flipping Williams and "retired" bc of it. Today's players are soft and don't practice hard anymore. They're raised on analytics telling them that it's better to rest in the season than to play hard and practice bc they have a better chance of winning yet most of these bums don't win. Add on that they get so much money nowadays and are never satisfied with it that they think of themselves as corporations now that don't answer to anyone anymore.

    Pop is no longer ahead of coaches in the X's and O's. Bud is better as is Quinn. even Stotts has his team in a better position than us and I would argue the talent level is even. McMillan is also doing an amazing job and should win COY. Pop has lost all his relationships that he ever had in less than 2 years. His wife, Ginobili, Parker, Green, And Kawhi all gone. He's basically starting over and figuring everything out on the fly and it shows with how inconsistent we are as a team and our road record.

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    That 2014 roster was stacked as and didn't have extremely flawed stars like Aldridge and DeRozan.
    The 2014 team had the 3rd best DRTG in the league. The year they added Aldridge they jumped up to the #1 DRTG in the league. That wasn't just because of Aldridge, but he sure didn't drag them down to 23rd in DRTG like this team.

    The 2014 team benefitted from having Pop as a coach. I'm not so sure this one is getting much of a boost from him. If I was Pop, I wouldn't want to be known as the centerpiece of this show.

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    The 2014 team had the 3rd best DRTG in the league. The year they added Aldridge they jumped up to the #1 DRTG in the league. That wasn't just because of Aldridge, but he sure didn't drag them down to 23rd in DRTG like this team.

    The 2014 team benefitted from having Pop as a coach. I'm not so sure this one is getting much of a boost from him. If I was Pop, I wouldn't want to be known as the centerpiece of this show.
    The year they added Aldridge, Kawhi transformed himself into a top 5 player in the league and the DPoY. That was the reason for the jump.

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    Coach Bud is good at implementing systems, i still have some questions about his in game decisions and adjustments(for example i was watching the utah game and i think Bud lost that game, it was entirely his fault)
    A good coach is obviously very important but if you take current Giannis and you put him in place of Derozan Spurs have enough shooters to do exactly the same thing the Bucks are doing and i think the Spurs go to the WCF with a legit chance to upset the Warriors, thats how important a centerpiece is.
    Bottom line Pop needs to retire so the Spurs can tank.
    If just one of Blesdoe,Brogdon and Georgie Hill is available against Utah,Donovan Mitc doesn't catch fire in the 4th and Bucks win.Middleton lost the Utah game,Bud coached an amazing game without his entire backcourt.

    Giannis instead of Derozan gets the Spurs in the top3 in the west.We still have the worst perimeter defense in the league with him,cause our snipers are not 3D,just 3 and traffic cones on D!

    Yep,Pop needs to retire and we have to hit the reset button sooner than later.But that's his decision,nobody can enforce it on him.

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    That 2014 roster was stacked as and didn't have extremely flawed stars like Aldridge and DeRozan.
    I disagree. I love the Spurs, but the 2014 was not stacked at all. We had stars passed their prime, and a lot of role players who complimented each other. We didn’t have an All-NBA. That was my point, and why my disagreement to this article. Now having a Durant or Davis would help a lot, but that’s not all. You still need a great coach to run plays and expose mismatches. Bud is the next best I see out there. Brad might be too young to command that necessary respect to get his multimillionaire players on check, and a le would help. Nurse is just meh. And Brown might not have the championship play-by-play caliber. On paper, sixers should be above everyone in the East. I swear Pop could coach that team easily to championship.

    Anyway, it’s all about the coach for me. Spurs current personnel just don’t have enough leadership on the court. And it wouldn’t hurt to get a defensive SF who can bring 12/6 and a blockshot or two. I sure hope Pop stick around next year when Spurs get healthy team.

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    I'd definitely say the Spurs were stacked in 2014. 4 all star caliber players plus elite roleplayers as backups at almost every position? Yeah they were stacked.

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    I disagree. I love the Spurs, but the 2014 was not stacked at all. We had stars passed their prime, and a lot of role players who complimented each other. We didn’t have an All-NBA. That was my point, and why my disagreement to this article. Now having a Durant or Davis would help a lot, but that’s not all. You still need a great coach to run plays and expose mismatches. Bud is the next best I see out there. Brad might be too young to command that necessary respect to get his multimillionaire players on check, and a le would help. Nurse is just meh. And Brown might not have the championship play-by-play caliber. On paper, sixers should be above everyone in the East. I swear Pop could coach that team easily to championship.

    Anyway, it’s all about the coach for me. Spurs current personnel just don’t have enough leadership on the court. And it wouldn’t hurt to get a defensive SF who can bring 12/6 and a blockshot or two. I sure hope Pop stick around next year when Spurs get healthy team.
    We might not had an all-NBA player but we had 4 star-ish players and a platoon of great two-way role players. That team was stacked as . Our third string guys were more talented than most teams' second units.

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    We might not had an all-NBA player but we had 4 star-ish players and a platoon of great two-way role players. That team was stacked as . Our third string guys were more talented than most teams' second units.
    That’s easy to say in retrospect, because the beautiful game worked. That team was dismissed 3-4 years earlier as old, passed their prime. By all definition of stacked, 2014 was not.

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    If just one of Blesdoe,Brogdon and Georgie Hill is available against Utah,Donovan Mitc doesn't catch fire in the 4th and Bucks win.Middleton lost the Utah game,Bud coached an amazing game without his entire backcourt.

    Giannis instead of Derozan gets the Spurs in the top3 in the west.We still have the worst perimeter defense in the league with him,cause our snipers are not 3D,just 3 and traffic cones on D!

    Yep,Pop needs to retire and we have to hit the reset button sooner than later.But that's his decision,nobody can enforce it on him.
    I dont want to talk about other teams here but even with three players out when you win a game by 17pts in the 4th q and your coach is "elite" you have to win the game. I still think Bud lost that game because he was late reacting to things and some of the rotations were terrible.
    Now to our situation, people think that the biggest problem is perimeter defense when in fact everything start when our guards lead the opposing players inside and there is no one to challenge them. Our inside defense is terrible, our help inside defense is terrible as well. Yeah LMA is trying lately but most of the season he was bystander watching people have layup after layup. With Giannis you don't have to help inside and leave people open on the perimeter and thats a big difference. Everything starts inside and trickles down to our perimeter defense. Both are connected is all i'm trying to say.

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    That’s easy to say in retrospect, because the beautiful game worked. That team was dismissed 3-4 years earlier as old, passed their prime. By all definition of stacked, 2014 was not.
    That's impossible, since 3-4 years earlier the roster didn't look anything like the one in 2014.

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    I dont want to talk about other teams here but even with three players out when you win a game by 17pts in the 4th q and your coach is "elite" you have to win the game. I still think Bud lost that game because he was late reacting to things and some of the rotations were terrible.
    Now to our situation, people think that the biggest problem is perimeter defense when in fact everything start when our guards lead the opposing players inside and there is no one to challenge them. Our inside defense is terrible, our help inside defense is terrible as well. Yeah LMA is trying lately but most of the season he was bystander watching people have layup after layup. With Giannis you don't have to help inside and leave people open on the perimeter and thats a big difference. Everything starts inside and trickles down to our perimeter defense. Both are connected is all i'm trying to say.
    Bud's only possible reaction would be to put Giannis in sooner.But elite coaches do not play their MVP candidates to the ground one week after his chronic sore knee flares up.Not in a meaningless regular season game.He wanted him to play just 32 minutes and that's what he played.And that's exactly what prime Pop would do as well.

    But your argument really went full circle on the Spurs issue.We don't have a Tim Duncan to protect the rim.We don't have a Giannis to protect the rim and the passing lanes.And we are not projected to get such a generational talent anytime soon.

    So Pop will develop the talent he currently has until he retires and do the best he can with it.And then the Spurs will try to build something good once more under a new regime.It was inevitable to happen,we all knew that.

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    You don't say? Having a superstar is better than not having a superstar. Mind blown.

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    That's impossible, since 3-4 years earlier the roster didn't look anything like the one in 2014.
    The core was the same. Anyways my point was Pop doesn’t need All-NBA and that beautiful game was the proof. It would help a lot, yes. And you can’t say that with other coaches.

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    The core was the same. Anyways my point was Pop doesn’t need All-NBA and that beautiful game was the proof. It would help a lot, yes. And you can’t say that with other coaches.
    Try implementing the beatiful game with guys like Keith Bogans, Roger Mason Jr, Richard Jefferson, etc. and see how it goes.

    "The core" was what, 3 guys? Those three guys didn't make the difference between 2014 and 3/4 years earlier. The guys around them did. Those guys are what made that Spurs roster stacked as .

    It is re ed to think you can do the same with Dante ing Cunningham instead of Boris Diaw. Coaching is important but it is always about the players.

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    Try implementing the beatiful game with guys like Keith Bogans, Roger Mason Jr, Richard Jefferson, etc. and see how it goes.

    "The core" was what, 3 guys? Those three guys didn't make the difference between 2014 and 3/4 years earlier. The guys around them did. Those guys are what made that Spurs roster stacked as .

    It is re ed to think you can do the same with Dante ing Cunningham instead of Boris Diaw. Coaching is important but it is always about the players.
    But the article was talking about centerpiece, which the 2014 beautiful game did not have, but Diaw, Belli, Tiago. That was my point, Pop did not need centerpiece. It would help YES. And about stacked? If you compare Spurs 2014 lineup to previous Champions, Curry/Kyle/Green/Durant/Cousins, LeBron/Wade/Bosh/Allen, LeBron/Kyrie/Love, Garnett/Allen/Pierce/Rondo, etc. I mean you’re talking Diaw. No disrespect to Boris but stacked with Whataburger perhaps. Just kidding he’s a great passer, but nope still doesn’t make my definition of stacked with multiple All-Stars.

    Again Pop doesn’t necessarily need a centerpiece. I think next year when we have a healthy Murray (granted he’s working with his outside shots), a more polished White/Poeltl, NBA ready Walker/Metu, acclimated Demar, a healthy Gay, plus maybe an athletic defensive SF like Covington, I mean Spurs can make serious noise. Nope, not necessarily a centerpiece, just great role players who can compliment each other’s game, but first of all dictates defense.

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    But the article was talking about centerpiece, which the 2014 beautiful game did not have, but Diaw, Belli, Tiago. That was my point, Pop did not need centerpiece. It would help YES. And about stacked? If you compare Spurs 2014 lineup to previous Champions, Curry/Kyle/Green/Durant/Cousins, LeBron/Wade/Bosh/Allen, LeBron/Kyrie/Love, Garnett/Allen/Pierce/Rondo, etc. I mean you’re talking Diaw. No disrespect to Boris but stacked with Whataburger perhaps. Just kidding he’s a great passer, but nope still doesn’t make my definition of stacked with multiple All-Stars.

    Again Pop doesn’t necessarily need a centerpiece. I think next year when we have a healthy Murray (granted he’s working with his outside shots), a more polished White/Poeltl, NBA ready Walker/Metu, acclimated Demar, a healthy Gay, plus maybe an athletic defensive SF like Covington, I mean Spurs can make serious noise. Nope, not necessarily a centerpiece, just great role players who can compliment each other’s game, but first of all dictates defense.
    Spurs will not be true contenders as long as DeMar and LA are the main options.

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    Spurs will not be true contenders as long as DeMar and LA are the main options.
    Aldridge can bullyball anyone when he desires to, including Draymond. If not, Gay can shoot over Draymond all day. Demar midrange is boring, but effective. Spurs fan are not new to being bored. Dubs will implode, and hopefully next year without Durant/Cousins. I like the combination of Murray/White againts Curry/Thompson. Any other team, Spurs can beat now IF healthy and all the planets align. Spurs are not far from being contender again.

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    The fact they didn’t run Demar by Rudy before the trade shows they don’t run moves through enough of their players.
    True

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    Try implementing the beatiful game with guys like Keith Bogans, Roger Mason Jr, Richard Jefferson, etc. and see how it goes.

    "The core" was what, 3 guys? Those three guys didn't make the difference between 2014 and 3/4 years earlier. The guys around them did. Those guys are what made that Spurs roster stacked as .

    It is re ed to think you can do the same with Dante ing Cunningham instead of Boris Diaw. Coaching is important but it is always about the players.
    It's ridiculous to call any Spurs team in history "stacked" in light of the current GS roster. Oh, and Diaw was a career 8.6 point scorer. His rebounding and assist totals are both below 5 per game.

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    Really poorly written article. State the obvious...talent matters, and then make this comment:
    "A prime example is the leap the Warriors took from playoff contender to unstoppable force once Mark Jackson was replaced with Steve Kerr (even before Kevin Durant hopped on the bandwagon)."

    Unstoppable...hmm. like barely winning their first championship against a Cavs team without Kyrie and Love. Hardly unstoppable. I'm not trying to take anything away from GS, but for the author of this article to suggest that Kerr was the difference is ludicrous. Kerr is the most overrated coach in the league, and it isn't even close.

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    Aldridge can bullyball anyone when he desires to, including Draymond. If not, Gay can shoot over Draymond all day. Demar midrange is boring, but effective. Spurs fan are not new to being bored. Dubs will implode, and hopefully next year without Durant/Cousins. I like the combination of Murray/White againts Curry/Thompson. Any other team, Spurs can beat now IF healthy and all the planets align. Spurs are not far from being contender again.
    You drinking that delusional juice or what

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    That 2014 roster was stacked as and didn't have extremely flawed stars like Aldridge and DeRozan.
    the 2016 roster was actually the most stacked Spurs roster ever

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    Really poorly written article. State the obvious...talent matters, and then make this comment:
    "A prime example is the leap the Warriors took from playoff contender to unstoppable force once Mark Jackson was replaced with Steve Kerr (even before Kevin Durant hopped on the bandwagon)."

    Unstoppable...hmm. like barely winning their first championship against a Cavs team without Kyrie and Love. Hardly unstoppable. I'm not trying to take anything away from GS, but for the author of this article to suggest that Kerr was the difference is ludicrous. Kerr is the most overrated coach in the league, and it isn't even close.
    Lee got injured and he had to play Draymond at the 4. The rest is history. Everybody would've done that. It took the Dubs to another level, but it's not like that was a genius coaching move

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    You drinking that delusional juice or what
    lol I always believe this team can beat anyone outside of Dubs, if healthy and everyone in sync. We led both offensive and defensive efficiency last month (?) before White got hurt. If they get everybody healthy and get a good run, this team can overachieve tbh

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    Tiago was centerpiece/lynchpin after Bogans.

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