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    You are talking about maybe the highest bbiq duo of perimeter/big in the history of the NBA. If you have such a smart duo you use them in a balanced way, punishing your opponent's defense.

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    Hot take #1???? Wtf was the Start Bertans thread then. Spurs are back to playing defense without the deformed ginger

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    Just for the record, because I see there's a lot of people getting their panties in a bunch , I'm not saying this is something I believe, tbh.

    It's just something that I thought could be arguable and could stir some interesting conversation. Also note that being "a better offensive option" doesn't necesarily mean "being the better player". In 2014 Tony might have been a better offensive option than Duncan (he did have the bigger offensive role) but Timmy was still the team's best player overall.

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    I'm not saying it's true. I'm saying other people should be saying it's true for me.

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    I stopped posting with my original account because I'm ashamed to have over 100 k on an internet board.

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    Just for the record, because I see there's a lot of people getting their panties in a bunch , I'm not saying this is something I believe, tbh.

    It's just something that I thought could be arguable and could stir some interesting conversation. Also note that being "a better offensive option" doesn't necesarily mean "being the better player". In 2014 Tony might have been a better offensive option than Duncan (he did have the bigger offensive role) but Timmy was still the team's best player overall.
    So still not willing to own it and attempting to deflect. Got it.

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    Just for the record, because I see there's a lot of people getting their panties in a bunch , I'm not saying this is something I believe, tbh.

    It's just something that I thought could be arguable and could stir some interesting conversation. Also note that being "a better offensive option" doesn't necesarily mean "being the better player". In 2014 Tony might have been a better offensive option than Duncan (he did have the bigger offensive role) but Timmy was still the team's best player overall.
    Do you believe that Oladipo is a better offensive option than Joel?

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    Do you believe that Oladipo is a better offensive option than Joel?
    My comparissons would have been a non-ball hogging Harden and a rich man Embiid. I really don't know who I would pick as the focal point of an offense, tbh.

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    We get where you're coming from OP, but Duncan is a GOAT tier player. He'd absolutely wreck in today's NBA or any era really.

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    My comparissons would have been a non-ball hogging Harden and a rich man Embiid. I really don't know who I would pick as the focal point of an offense, tbh.
    I understand, although I see Oladipo 17-18 as the player most similar to the prime Manu in impact (and possibly in game style if played today)

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    I really like the Oladipo comparison.

    Their teams are good without them, both can only succeed in a certain system, fringe all stars depending on the conference, both know ER staff well...

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    I really like the Oladipo comparison.

    Their teams are good without them, both can only succeed in a certain system, fringe all stars depending on the conference, both know ER staff well...
    Both played with Point Guards that were bricking shots from 3 in WestBrick and Parker.Keep em coming TGY!

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    I stopped posting with my original account because I'm ashamed to have over 100 k on an internet board.
    Nah, that'll be back soon.

    I don't know why you refuse to support your own "hot take" -- wait -- of course I do.

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    Hot take

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    We get where you're coming from OP, but Duncan is a GOAT tier player. He'd absolutely wreck in today's NBA or any era really.
    Yep, it's an insult to even pretend like Manu was on the same level.

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    Yep, it's an insult to even pretend like Manu was on the same level.

    I mean, some Manu fanboys think he's a top 5 SG all-time so of course they'd say something as blasphemous as him being a "better offensive option in today's NBA."

    The short and only answer is no, he isn't.

    Dominant big men still have place in "today's NBA" and none are consistent, dependable and dominant as a prime Tim Duncan.

    Manu was never in Timmy's stratosphere as an individual player or scorer.


    Manu is a clutch player. Dude was gonna win anywhere.
    Manu gave it away as much as he won it, TBH. That "wreckless" almost Helter Skelter nature to his game is what made him special. It also lost the team plenty of close constests.

    Your second point is unknowable since he played with Duncan/Parker and all they did was win. We'll never know if he could have reproduced that level of success elsewhere...

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    Manu is a winner. That is undeniable. We do know.
    Yeah, because of Tim Duncan (in the NBA at least). This we know.


    Him winning in the NBA without Duncan and Parker can never be answered. Duncan won the big prize and made the conference finals without Parker and Ginobili....

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    What about better offensive option for FIBA basketball?

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    DRob was Giannis Antetokounmpo X10. In today's NBA he'd average 40 a night. Who's going to slow down a prime Admiral with today's small ball lineups?
    WRONG, D. Robinson was great but he couldn't create like Giannis, couldn't handle the ball like Giannis. He was super athletic, had a better jumper but he couldn't jump over someone in an actuall game or dunk from the FT line.

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    WRONG, D. Robinson was great but he couldn't create like Giannis, couldn't handle the ball like Giannis. He was super athletic, had a better jumper but he couldn't jump over someone in an actuall game or dunk from the FT line.
    Comparing a scrub to the admiral

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    A better comparison for Robinson is Anthony Davis x10.

    Giannis is basically a taller Lebron from early Cavs years.He has neither the post game or the smooth jumpshot the Admiral had.Davis has those things.
    robinson did not have a great post game, but that still wouldn’t matter today. Prime David could possibly drop 100 in today’s NBA. Who in the world would defend him? Even a little bit?

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    robinson did not have a great post game, but that still wouldn’t matter today. Prime David could possibly drop 100 in today’s NBA. Who in the world would defend him? Even a little bit?
    Where exactly did i say that he had a great post game? He had a post up/face up game,and it was working like a charm.

    My point was that Giannis plays nothing like Robinson.He has NO post game,he never posts up,he drives to the basket at full speed from the 3 point line.Like Lebron.
    Anthony Davis has the more similar game to Robinson between the two.

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    Since no one talked about the impact of the new rules -protecting perimeter players- on today game...

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