you seem to have selective memory. Feel free to get a refresher course on the negative aspects of Murray's play by looking up my post history. Not a hater , call it as i it see it, there's positives too.
hard to argue with
Ya i'm amazed too. DJ is a makeshift PG. A big positive from White stepping as PG is it allows DJ to move into a specialized defensive stopper role . If he can get a reliable three maybe at SG as a starter. That's his ceiling.
wouldn't that be a waste of White's PG ability. The floor general duties as in poise, pace , passing, handles, decision making and leadership qualities he showing right now. DJ cant do or grow into. So you don't maximize White and in turn you're back tp Murray pretending to be something he ain't at the detriment of the team.
I see Murray leading fast breaks and White handling after other team scores or mid court duties. So basically fast breaks Murray and Walker at mid court handling pg duties.
Its funny but we have have only 5 legit starters on this team and people want to act like we Boston. Lol
I hope DJ and White go hard against each other in practice. MJ wouldn't be as good as he is without Pippen defending him in practice. They should take advantage of this as teammates.
If you know anything White has already said Murray is a better defender than he is right now. He said it's basically going against Murray on defense in practice but hey what does white know??
I don't care who's better. Both are Spurs and will be for some years at least.
This is my contribution to the thread:
Dejounte Murray 29th draft pick
Derrick White 29th draft pick
Lonnie Walker 18th draft pick
Give credit to Bufford and think again next time you consider ing tanking.
I agree. How the do you draft a 2nd team NBA defensive team player and a guard that tallies 6 block in a game with #29 picks???? Not once, but twice!!!!
The verdict still out with Walker IV, but in terms of athletic talent, he's got more than either Murray or White.
The Spurs have drafted Tony Parker at #28 and Manu Ginobili at #57.
The "How the " argument goes out the window when you bring those names in mind.That'a what they do.
I just wish the front office had the same talent/insight with free agent signings and contract extensions as it has with drafting.
The players don't have a choice in draft, but they have in FA and contract extension. Sadly SA is not an attractive place for a lot of players
Has Murray ever shown the kind of composure and court leadership that White is exhibiting now?
True.But each team's front office has a choice in contract extensions and free agent signings as well.
Meaning,Spurs,had a choice to not resign the one step from retirement Pau Gasol.To not overpay an undersized SG in Patty Mills.To not sign Cun and Pon when the team had such a thin SG/SF rotation of athletically gifted players.To not let TP go,basically leaving the team with just one PG if the other one falls to injury.
Drafting and developing players is one thing.Roster construction is another and unfortunatelly,we are not doing a good job the last couple of years.
Most teams would be lucky to hit on one of those late pick for a solid role player. With Derrick alone they’ve exceeded expectation. Anything more is gravy.
No and not even close
Well said.
So because the analytics don't support your hypothesis, this is your best argument. Nice one. You got me.
Manu and Parker where drafted when Presti was still around, that was a long time ago.
Even Kawhi was a long time ago.
The last 3 drafts shows that someone in FO knows what he's doing.
Prior to that, I can't say that Multinov, Anderson, Jean-Charles were good picks. None of these 3 are in the NBA or have ever played in the NBA.
Both players will be good in there own ways. When those two hit the court together next year its going to be exciting to see a Spurs team with such young quick defensive players who can push a faster high energy pace of basketball.
The way i see it, White has a more developed all around game (as he should since he is older) but Murray even in his young age is the better vocal leader of the team and seems to have the work ethic to improve every year. One thing i love about DJ is his on court at ude, the dude has that infectious fighting spirit that really seems to help motivate the team to be better. I think they will work wonderfully together!
You sound like a dumbass. The Nuggets have managed to develop three quality guards (Beasley, Murray & Harris) while still having Will Barton on the payroll & rotation.
It is better to have a glutton of talent competing and bettering themselves for playtime and a role than be devoid of quality prospect (ala a few years ago).
The odd man out should be either Forbes or Patty next season.
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He doesn't necessarily have to. He's a good slasher that can get to the rim (or line) and plays excellent defense. Let White run the offense and let Murray play D and drive.
My take, Murray has more upside than White because of his elite athleticism if he realizes his full potential. Both could be triple-double threat every night, with scoring, assist and rebounding, plus block shots and steals.
So the bigger question is, would they eclipse Tony Parker eventually. I love Tony but with all his accolades, I don't think he's ever posted a triple-double (not that Wessbrook empty stats mean anything compare to what Tony has accomplished).
NO, but at the same time White doesnt have instragram-balling pics in flip flops showing his tongue like an ugly ignorant pimpled mofo.
So there you have it.
If you’re talking about controlling the game on the floor from a basketball standpoint type of leadership then maybe not. But as far as leadership don’t forget about when LMA got hot headed against Ibaka and he waved off Pop himself to handle Aldridge. That’s a different kind of leadership within itself.
But Murray was inserted into the playoffs against Houston his rookie year and be pretty composed for a situationa like that. Either way it’ll be good to have both of their leadership styles next season.
I agree that re-signing Pau was a mistake, but I think too much is made of Patty's contract. What do you think a fair contract would've been for him? $7mil per, 8 mil per? Even if he is slightly overpaid, it's not by more than $3 or 4mil, which in this market with the current payroll guidelines isn't very much. He's extremely popular with his teammates & coaching staff, he knows his role, and he never complains about minutes... He currently ranks #33 in RPM for PGs, which is what you'd want/expect from a back up guard. I just don't see his contract as a big issue, especially when Murray and White are such bargains on their rookie scale contracts.
Murray isn't an elite athlete, and Parker has posted a triple-double in his career. Neither will eclipse Tony, who's a HoFer.
I agree, Murray isn't an elite athlete. Walker IV is more athletic that Murray.
Murray has however proven himself as a very good defensive player. There's a reason why he got to NBA 2nd all defensive team.
defensive instincts, agility and reach and this can not be taught, therefore he is already an good/elite defender since his second year as a pro
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