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    Nah. You simply failed.

    By your logic OJ isn't a murderer because he says he wasn't and people believed him.
    The invincible ignorance fallacy[1] is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word, the method instead being to either make assertions with no consideration of objections or to simply dismiss objections by calling them excuses, conjecture, etc. or saying that they are proof of nothing; all without actually demonstrating how the objection fit these terms (see ad lapidem fallacy).

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    The invincible ignorance fallacy[1] is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word, the method instead being to either make assertions with no consideration of objections or to simply dismiss objections by calling them excuses, conjecture, etc. or saying that they are proof of nothing; all without actually demonstrating how the objection fit these terms (see ad lapidem fallacy).
    It was your claim and all you did was say you believe Hitler and Goebbels.

    Do you take them at their respective words, DMC?

    Yes or no.

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    It was your claim and all you did was say you believe Hitler and Goebbels.

    Do you take them at their respective words, DMC?

    Yes or no.
    Never said that.

    When you learn to disagree without lying or needing to paint the opposition as dishonest, let me know.

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    Never said that.

    When you learn to disagree without lying or needing to paint the opposition as dishonest, let me know.
    Do you believe them?

    Yes or no.

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    Do you believe them?

    Yes or no.
    The crusaders weren't true Christians. True Christians would never do that.

    The bombers weren't true Muslims. True Muslims would never do that.

    The failed government wasn't true socialism. True socialism would never do that.

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    The crusaders weren't true Christians. True Christians would never do that.

    The bombers weren't true Muslims. True Muslims would never do that.

    The failed government wasn't true socialism. True socialism would never do that.
    Do you believe them?

    Yes or no.

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    sticks nose in unprepared
    gets pushed in
    leaves
    comes back with repe ive "yes or no" narrative shtick

    Good old Chumpy, cannot suffer an L without going into bot mode..


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    Next time you want to associate a US political party with Nazis, check which side you're standing on.
    i wont stand with the ones caging babies or defending guys marching with torches and chanting nazi garbage

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    sticks nose in unprepared
    gets pushed in
    leaves
    comes back with repe ive "yes or no" narrative shtick

    Good old Chumpy, cannot suffer an L without going into bot mode..

    tough guy unprepared to answer a simple yes or no question


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    say you believe Hitler and Goebbels.

    Never said that.

    When you learn to disagree without lying or needing to paint the opposition as dishonest, let me know.
    Sooooo when you presented a quote from Goebbels saying "we are socialists" to support your assertion that the Nazi's were socialists, you DIDN'T believe him?

    Either one or the other. Pick a lane, genyus.

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    Sooooo when you presented a quote from Goebbels saying "we are socialists" to support your assertion that the Nazi's were socialists, you DIDN'T believe him?

    Either one or the other. Pick a lane, genyus.
    Tough guy will be afraid to answer you too.

    Because he's so tough.


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    tough guy unprepared to answer a simple yes or no question

    DMC most pointedly does not take stands on anything, not unlike TSA.

    Neither's ego can withstand being proven wrong about anything.

    That is why DMC most pointedly will not post what the meaning of "Aktiengesellschaft" is in German. Care to take a guess, since your ego isn't tied up on trying to claim the Nazis were really socialists, and not fascist oligarchs?

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    DMC most pointedly does not take stands on anything, not unlike TSA.

    Neither's ego can withstand being proven wrong about anything.

    That is why DMC most pointedly will not post what the meaning of "Aktiengesellschaft" is in German. Care to take a guess, since your ego isn't tied up on trying to claim the Nazis were really socialists, and not fascist oligarchs?
    Have to plead ignorance on that one.

    Looks like we scared the tough guy off.

    DerpMC

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    "muh socialism"

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    "muh socialism"
    You never answered the question, tough guy.

    Do you believe Hitler and Goebbels' saying the Nazis are socialists?

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    Nazi

    NOUN -- a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

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    Pooplov getting school

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    Nazi

    NOUN -- a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
    Pooplov getting school
    Do the two of you also believe Hitler and Goebbels?

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    Nazi

    NOUN -- a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
    You take Kim's word that North Korea is a democratic republic.

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    DMC most pointedly does not take stands on anything, not unlike TSA.

    Neither's ego can withstand being proven wrong about anything.

    That is why DMC most pointedly will not post what the meaning of "Aktiengesellschaft" is in German. Care to take a guess, since your ego isn't tied up on trying to claim the Nazis were really socialists, and not fascist oligarchs?
    What about this?

    zwangswirtschaf

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    The second pattern—we may call it the German or Zwangswirtschaft system [4] —differs from the
    first one in that it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production,
    entrepreneurship, and market exchange. So-called entrepreneurs do the buying and selling, pay the
    workers, contract debts and pay interest and amortization. But they are no longer entrepreneurs. In Nazi
    Germany they were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming
    entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to
    whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under
    what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices,
    wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in
    appearance only; in fact they are merely quan ative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each
    citizen's income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs
    production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but
    civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the
    capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what
    they mean in the market economy.

    "Planned Chaos" -Ludwig von Mises

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    Hey DerpMC, ever get around to deciding whether you believe Hitler and Goebbels?

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    Hey DerpMC, ever get around to deciding whether you believe Hitler and Goebbels?



    Hint: You're near the bottom

    Here's what you're going for:

    Guilt by association

    Guilt by association can sometimes also be a type of ad hominem fallacy if the argument attacks a source because of the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument.[9]

    Chumpy

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    Lol debate camp smack.

    DMC used to abjure it.

    Lol debate cop smack.

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    Hint: You're near the bottom

    Here's what you're going for:

    Guilt by association

    Guilt by association can sometimes also be a type of ad hominem fallacy if the argument attacks a source because of the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument.[9]

    Chumpy
    I'm not going for that.

    I'm simply asking you if you believe Hitler and Goebbels?

    I don't.

    Do you?

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