The Kawhi/DeMar trade is one of the most lopsided trades of the decade

[spurs10]

I imagine if they thought #2 ("in more ways than 1") was going to give his all they would have kept him for his final year. I think PATFO realized that another nightmare season was too much. I'm enjoying this season much more than last year, which was an unbearable drag. DDR and Poeltl and the pick for #2 and DG was likely the best they could do. People say Harris, but he's going to be a FA. If #2 bolts Toronto our trade might look a bit better. They can trade DDR and Poeltl if they want.

[da_suns_fan]

Well the Suns traded Kurt Thomas and two first round picks for a second round pick.

So theres that...

[da_suns_fan]

The Phoenix Suns today traded center Kurt Thomas and two future first-round draft picks to the Seattle SuperSonics for a future conditional second-round pick.

https://www.nba.com/suns/news/thomas_trade_070720.html#

[Twisted_Dawg]

Kurt Thomas, I forgot about us trading for this turd.

http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=3255661

[ambchang]

Smart thing for ujiri to do as he already knew the derozan Lowry combo has reached its max potential. Both of them, especially derozan, were way too popular to be salary dumped, so he took the opportunity to get Kawhi.

If Kawhi stays, he wins the deal easily. If Kawhi bolts, he can legitimately say he traded for an mvp talent and the onus is on Kawhi for leaving a very successful team to chase his uncles dreams. He can then dump Lowry because there’s no room for him anymore and just rebuild.

All win and no risk deal.

[UnWantedTheory]

I was told it wouldn't work cause of 10 mills diff in cap money going out to cap money coming in.That's cause i wanted to unload Gasol's awful contract along with Leonard.

Why are you trying so hard to push the false narrative of "You take back DeRozan or NO TRADE"?
Were you present in the phone conversation?
Did it go somewhat like:
-"Hey RC"
-"Hey Masai"
-"I want Leonard but you have to take back DeRozan.If you say no to DeRozan there is nothing to talk about"
-"But there are some other players in your roster we could work with..."
-"I said you either take DeRozan or i'll hang up on your ass you intoxicated buffoon"

Is that what happened? And we made that trade? Nah,i don't really see your point of view,and it comes from a very "strange" way to try to make excuses on behalf of PATFO for a terrible trade.

What don't you get about you can't get fleeced unless you bend over?

Are we not allowed to think of hypothetical trade scenarios with the same team we traded with as Spurfans? Why? Cause the Spurs would be so much better and the up of the FO would be so more easy for everyone to see?

Are you ing re ed? I never once pushed anything, and your proposal would not have made sense for Toronto. They were taking a gamble on Kawhi not resigning so why give up their future for him? They weren't going anywhere with DDR so it wasn't much of a gamble for them that way. Also, you wanted to unload Gasol, but has your dumb ass thought they didn't want him? Assuming that was the case, DDR's contract was necessary. Were you on the phone? Were you there? Blah, blah, blah. What don't you get about us not having leverage? Btw, I don't care if you come up with hypothetical trades, however it's ing stupid to do so after a trade has already happened. You are clearly butt hurt and not using a lick of common sense. I am not saying there weren't other possible trades, but I am saying other's with TOR were unlikely to impossible, because two sides need to ing agree to something. TOR knew the Spurs were negotiating from a weaker position and it is that simple. None of this means they didn't try for a different trade.

[UnWantedTheory]

Smart thing for ujiri to do as he already knew the derozan Lowry combo has reached its max potential. Both of them, especially derozan, were way too popular to be salary dumped, so he took the opportunity to get Kawhi.

If Kawhi stays, he wins the deal easily. If Kawhi bolts, he can legitimately say he traded for an mvp talent and the onus is on Kawhi for leaving a very successful team to chase his uncles dreams. He can then dump Lowry because there’s no room for him anymore and just rebuild.

All win and no risk deal.

Exactly this.

[GusT15]

Are you ing re ed? I never once pushed anything, and your proposal would not have made sense for Toronto. They were taking a gamble on Kawhi not resigning so why give up their future for him? They weren't going anywhere with DDR so it wasn't much of a gamble for them that way. Also, you wanted to unload Gasol, but has your dumb ass thought they didn't want him? Assuming that was the case, DDR's contract was necessary. Were you on the phone? Were you there? Blah, blah, blah. What don't you get about us not having leverage? Btw, I don't care if you come up with hypothetical trades, however it's ing stupid to do so after a trade has already happened. You are clearly butt hurt and not using a lick of common sense. I am not saying there weren't other possible trades, but I am saying other's with TOR were unlikely to impossible, because two sides need to ing agree to something. TOR knew the Spurs were negotiating from a weaker position and it is that simple. None of this means they didn't try for a different trade.

Does the fact that you are out of arguments is making you get to the personal attack level? Just in case you can salvage something from your out of place,out of touch,out of reality logic?

Keep looking at it from Toronto's perspective! Ujiri wanted to do this,Ujiri wanted to do that,he was taking a gamble here,blah,blah,BLAH.

Where is the San Antonio perspective? We wanted DeRozan for Leonard and that's it? Our FO thought that trade as constructed was a good one?

Well if that's what they thought,they are morons.That trade is awful! If i feel like judging the trade half a year later,i can judge it all i like!

If i want to make a hypothesis or two on what we could have actually traded with Toronto for,i can do as many "what if's" i want mother er.It doesn't make me butthurt,this is a Basketball forum,"what if's" are half of a forum's conversations most of the time!

You have no ing idea what you are talking about,you spew bull for a day and a half and you in your own mind think you have a point to make.

My point:Spurs could have traded #2 for Valanciunas/Siakam.And keep Danny Green.

Your point:We had no leverage they would fleece us either way.

We basically agree to disagree.But then again,you did come at me without provocation.

So go yourself you Ujiri's ball licking,PATFO's apologist,out of touch with reality,emotional got tbh

[UnWantedTheory]

Does the fact that you are out of arguments is making you get to the personal attack level? Just in case you can salvage something from your out of place,out of touch,out of reality logic?

Keep looking at it from Toronto's perspective! Ujiri wanted to do this,Ujiri wanted to do that,he was taking a gamble here,blah,blah,BLAH.

Where is the San Antonio perspective? We wanted DeRozan for Leonard and that's it? Our FO thought that trade as constructed was a good one?

Well if that's what they thought,they are morons.That trade is awful! If i feel like judging the trade half a year later,i can judge it all i like!

If i want to make a hypothesis or two on what we could have actually traded with Toronto for,i can do as many "what if's" i want mother er.It doesn't make me butthurt,this is a Basketball forum,"what if's" are half of a forum's conversations most of the time!

You have no ing idea what you are talking about,you spew bull for a day and a half and you in your own mind think you have a point to make.

My point:Spurs could have traded #2 for Valanciunas/Siakam.And keep Danny Green.

Your point:We had no leverage they would fleece us either way.

We basically agree to disagree.But then again,you did come at me without provocation.

So go yourself you Ujiri's ball licking,PATFO's apologist,out of touch with reality,emotional got tbh

Look you stupid , your trade was unrealistic. The one perspective you keep harping on is rather important seeing as they had zero reason to do it. Basically, wish in one hand and in the other, see which one fills up first re .

[GusT15]

Look you stupid , your trade was unrealistic. The one perspective you keep harping on is rather important seeing as they had zero reason to do it. Basically, wish in one hand and in the other, see which one fills up first re .

Whatever you say precious.

You felt the need to quote and answer to me with 6mins left on the game when we're beating the #1 seed in the league by 14?

Spurs win,i'm happy,i won't talk about the trade anymore even though it was as re ed as you are.

FOH

[UnWantedTheory]

Whatever you say precious.

You felt the need to quote and answer to me with 6mins left on the game when we're beating the #1 seed in the league by 14?

Spurs win,i'm happy,i won't talk about the trade anymore even though it was as re ed as you are.

FOH

Uh, what the does that have to do with anything?

[spursistan]

So poetic that on the night the s bag goes full Jordan with a career-playoff high 45 points; the dude they traded him for flames out in Game 7 playing like a the soft bricklayer he is..

Never have I ever imagined a scenario where this organization would turn into a "farm team" that trades its franchise player to compe or so he could go ring there..What a stunning fall from grace..

[spursistan]

^^ I'm almost gonna go full masochist and hope Kawhi rings with the Raptors so this Front Office go down as the owner of one the most embarrassing trades in NBA history..

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Buy DeRozan out, one of the biggest chokers in history

LMA is a loser too sadly

[spursistan]

Buy DeRozan out, one of the biggest chokers in history

LMA is a loser too sadly

I'm still puzzled what were they thinking teaming up these two..

[objective]

of the decade?

Maybe modern NBA history

Right there with the Rasheed and Vince trades

[RC_Drunkford]

Kawhi probably saw the writing on the wall. When Pau Gasol and Patty Mills are your 3rd and 4th highest players and your coach loves to play undersized midgets, you might as well just leave to a team that isn't built that way

[ElNono]

You’re always going to get cents on the dollar for forced trades like this, tbh...

I can’t pin the blame on PATFO entirely, you do what you can. The primary culprit is nephew and his fake injury

[WallyTiger]

Kawhi probably saw the writing on the wall. When Pau Gasol and Patty Mills are your 3rd and 4th highest players and your coach loves to play undersized midgets, you might as well just leave to a team that isn't built that way

OK, PATFO is bad, nephew can just go, but why fake injury and ruin spurs reputation?

[DPG21920]

You’re always going to get cents on the dollar for forced trades like this, tbh...

I can’t pin the blame on PATFO entirely, you do what you can. The primary culprit is nephew and his fake injury

True. But the question is did SA get the right pennies. It’s a fair question

[Keepin' it real]

ESPN headline (not kidding):

Next move for the Spurs: New deal for Derozan?

[lefty]

[TheGreatYacht]

True. But the question is did SA get the right pennies. It’s a fair question

Oh now it's a fair question?

You were the main guy defending this trade last summer and bothering those of us that saw the writing on the wall.

"This was a 48 win team without nephew. Adding an all star in DeRozan to this roster will only improve that" ... Your words

[UZER]

You’re always going to get cents on the dollar for forced trades like this, tbh...

I can’t pin the blame on PATFO entirely, you do what you can. The primary culprit is nephew and his fake injury

Why did nephew want out so bad though? So bad that he faked an injury 2 years before his contract expired,

[apalisoc_9]

You’re always going to get cents on the dollar for forced trades like this, tbh...

I can’t pin the blame on PATFO entirely, you do what you can. The primary culprit is nephew and his fake injury

Man I thought you are well connected within the organization? its a pretty well known fact that the relationship soured between Kawhi and Org because someone in the Organization (Not pop) screwed it up. Kawhi was legitimateld injured till around March, but they decided they were done with the org once that particular person did what he did.